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Giving Cirelli extension similar to Colin White - Yzerman gets Sergachev NJ MTL

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Hypothetically speaking, would it be worth to lose Sergachev in order to re-sign Cirelli to a very cost controlled deal that locks him up at an amazing AAV for the next 6 years? Him and Colin White could be taken as "comparables" in negotiation (Signing would have to happen prior to the start of 2020 season, after Point gets signed)
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27 août 2019 à 12 h 28
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Ill take Joseph for that from Ottawa
27 août 2019 à 12 h 29
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I love Sergachev but no way DET is giving up their 1st without some sort of protection.
27 août 2019 à 12 h 31
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I love Sergachev but no way DET is giving up their 1st without some sort of protection.



That trade would happen after the season prior to the 2020 draft, so Det would know their 1st round OA value. I'm assuming they'd pick from 6 to 10 in my scenario, and if they pick from 11 to 15 they add a 3rd rounder
27 août 2019 à 12 h 33
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That trade would happen after the season prior to the 2020 draft, so Det would know their 1st round OA value. I'm assuming they'd pick from 6 to 10 in my scenario, and if they pick from 11 to 15 they add a 3rd rounder


DET likely picks top 5 and more than likely top 3 than 6 to 10.
27 août 2019 à 12 h 56
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DET likely picks top 5 and more than likely top 3 than 6 to 10.


If that's the case then I'd offer him to someone else, as they won't move their first.

But that's not really the point. What are your thoughts overall on this?
27 août 2019 à 12 h 59
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If that's the case then I'd offer him to someone else, as they won't move their first.

But that's not really the point. What are your thoughts overall on this?


I think TBL would be wise to keep Sergachev and look to move McDonagh instead. If they don't do something Sergachev will become a very interesting offer sheet candidate (and I have already done an ACGM with DET targeting him)
27 août 2019 à 13 h 22
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Quoting: feds91stammer
I think TBL would be wise to keep Sergachev and look to move McDonagh instead. If they don't do something Sergachev will become a very interesting offer sheet candidate (and I have already done an ACGM with DET targeting him)


I think the offer sheet problem could come up with all the three big Tampa's RFAs. Cirelli, Cernak and Serg: I could see at least a team for each try to get them via offer sheet.
JBB surely will have his hands full this year
27 août 2019 à 13 h 23
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I think the offer sheet problem could come up with all the three big Tampa's RFAs. Cirelli, Cernak and Serg: I could see at least a team for each try to get them via offer sheet.
JBB surely will have his hands full this year


If he is smart he would be trying to lock these guys up now so then it just becomes a matter of making trades next off season
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27 août 2019 à 13 h 34
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27 août 2019 à 13 h 47
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If he is smart he would be trying to lock these guys up now so then it just becomes a matter of making trades next off season


Problem is: will they agree to get extended with one season left? I could see Sergachev being willing to play it out in order to raise his AAV.
Anyway yes, BriseBois has shown himself to be very proactive. Wouldn't be surprised if we'd see one of the three guys mentioned being re-signed prior to the start of the season (assuming Point signs prior to training camp)
27 août 2019 à 13 h 49
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Problem is: will they agree to get extended with one season left? I could see Sergachev being willing to play it out in order to raise his AAV.
Anyway yes, BriseBois has shown himself to be very proactive. Wouldn't be surprised if we'd see one of the three guys mentioned being re-signed prior to the start of the season (assuming Point signs prior to training camp)


Never know. Really comes down to the offers and what these guys advisors are telling them to do. One thing is for certain and that is that TBL is one of the most ideal teams to play for right now.
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27 août 2019 à 14 h 7
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Quoting: feds91stammer
I think TBL would be wise to keep Sergachev and look to move McDonagh instead. If they don't do something Sergachev will become a very interesting offer sheet candidate (and I have already done an ACGM with DET targeting him)


There is no offersheet for guys like that, as this season showed. Offersheets = myth. Aho only signed it, cause carolina lowballed him for months... like they wanted to give him 6 mill LOL...tears of joy tears of joy
He chosen instead of going Nylander way = rather just play. His agent tricked Montreal's GM LOL.... joke offersheet as expected... where are the offersheets for all other top tier NHL guys this year... oh yeah there is none. case closed... keep dreaming...

So even if you offersheet sergachev for 5 years 6 mill, and we think its a good deal, we just match it... believe me, you never going to get RFA's for peanuts, just because you think we are in cap trouble...
every GM is smarter, than you or what you think about them(in easy situations like an offer sheet), and they have a huge team of advisors, who are already know before season started... what will happen to sergachev at end of the year.... youre just dreaming...so just keep dreaming... offersheet sergachev tears of joy tears of joy Help

Oh, in case you want to to give a top6 D currently 8.5 million $$$ for whatever years? Be my guest, and we take the compensation, if in 1 full year we don't find a better offer with any kind of trade, which benefits us...applaud applaud

OHHH, one last thing, Yzerman would be the last person, who offersheets Tampa Bay Lightning, just so you know, check mate tears of joy tears of joy tears of joy tears of joy tears of joy tears of joy tears of joy
27 août 2019 à 14 h 9
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Never know. Really comes down to the offers and what these guys advisors are telling them to do. One thing is for certain and that is that TBL is one of the most ideal teams to play for right now.


Hope these guys realize the fact that, by taking a little less, they could be a part of something big. Everybody saying that Tampa's window is about to close and all that, when in reality it'll be wide open for the next 5 years at least
27 août 2019 à 14 h 13
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There is no offersheet for guys like that, as this season showed. Offersheets = myth. Aho only signed it, cause carolina lowballed him for months... like they wanted to give him 6 mill LOL...tears of joy tears of joy
He chosen instead of going Nylander way = rather just play. His agent tricked Montreal's GM LOL.... joke offersheet as expected... where are the offersheets for all other top tier NHL guys this year... oh yeah there is none. case closed... keep dreaming...

So even if you offersheet sergachev for 5 years 6 mill, and we think its a good deal, we just match it... believe me, you never going to get RFA's for peanuts, just because you think we are in cap trouble...
every GM is smarter, than you or what you think about them(in easy situations like an offer sheet), and they have a huge team of advisors, who are already know before season started... what will happen to sergachev at end of the year.... youre just dreaming...so just keep dreaming... offersheet sergachev tears of joy tears of joy Help

Oh, in case you want to to give a top6 D currently 8.5 million $$$ for whatever years? Be my guest, and we take the compensation, if in 1 full year we don't find a better offer with any kind of trade, which benefits us...applaud applaud

OHHH, one last thing, Yzerman would be the last person, who offersheets Tampa Bay Lightning, just so you know, check mate tears of joy tears of joy tears of joy tears of joy tears of joy tears of joy tears of joy


LMAO okay superchief
27 août 2019 à 14 h 17
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LMAO okay superchief


i literally laughing at your post for the last 10 minutes and im not joking, you made my day, thanks cheers

In fact i cant stop laughing... offersheet sergachev. FROM Detroit Red Wings... tears of joy
27 août 2019 à 14 h 21
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i literally laughing at your post for the last 10 minutes and im not joking, you made my day, thanks cheers

In fact i cant stop laughing... offersheet sergachev. FROM Detroit Red Wings... tears of joy


lmao you are pretty delusional eh?
27 août 2019 à 17 h 47
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Sergachev for a mid first round pick is best for all involved .. I have said this over and over so hopefully GM listening as the last 5 moves since July were all predicted.. there is not a rush to trade Serg now more like 2020 but a trade for a top 6 large wing is only piece left for Cup.
27 août 2019 à 22 h 2
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Sergachev for a mid first round pick is best for all involved .. I have said this over and over so hopefully GM listening as the last 5 moves since July were all predicted.. there is not a rush to trade Serg now more like 2020 but a trade for a top 6 large wing is only piece left for Cup.


But how do we replace him? If we can’t even afford to pay Sergachev, we probably can’t afford Shattenkirk who will probably (hopefully) have a similar value by the end of the season but isn’t as young. That leaves Cernak as our only top-four RHD. Foote will get to play in the NHL, but jumping from the AHL to an NHL top-four is a lot to ask. Schenn, Witkowski, and Rutta are all players who shouldn’t be above the top-four and who we might not even still have.

I would love a big, physical, cap-controlled top-six winger and wouldn’t hate to lose Sergachev for that if it means everyone else gets re-signed. I suppose Cernak immediately fit as a top-four defenseman, and Hedman and McDonagh would both cover for Foote if he makes occasional mistakes, but if we’re taking that kind of risk, it had better be for a great top-six physical winger.
30 août 2019 à 7 h 45
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But how do we replace him?


Look at Toronto trade: Tyson Barrie
The key is salary retention. We just have to find a team who is not contending and willing to do it. BriseBois already tried to trade for Ristolainen at 50% retention, unfortunately they said no to our offer. But it's possible, it's just takes time and a little bit of luck. wink

Another possibility is: Convincing Serg for a bridge deal at really low $$$ value. Look at San Jose + Labanc.awesome face

If both of these methods will fail, then you can trade for a solid defender with a entry-level contract, at least for 2 more years. If the player is projected to be worse than Serg, but still kinda top4'ish potential, we don't even need to overpay that much.

Also, there is the possibility that similar to Shattenkirk or Sekera, we try to solve the D issue by filling it each year with 1 year cheap contracts for buyout players, who can still play solid hockey, except not for 5-8 million $ contracts on that said team, who did the buyout.
This works, because everyone wants to win the cup, who had suffered the buyout from a bad team, and until Tampa leading the odds at the bookies and by experts with a highest chance to win the cup, they are willing to take less money, for a cup run.

Foote is not ready yet, but it would be amazing, if for the 2020/2021 season he will be. I just have a feeling he needs a lot more time to develop into a solid everyday NHL player, by looking at the signings lately.
I would be even happy if he can solve the 3rd pair RHD issue for us for the 2020/2021 season, but i afraid he might not be ready in 1 year for that role. But you never know, lot can happen in 1 year. I root for Foote to make the next step and will watch his stats closely in the AHL. My hope is that he gets at least 1-5 games in NHL this season, when we have injuries, and we just try him vs like a team like Ottawa, because that team tries to tank next year for sure, for the round 1 - pick nr. 1.

So yeah, there are couple of tricks to solve the D for the 2020/2021 season, and i have full confident in our GM that he will solve it. And i won't even feel bad if we lose some trades(can't win'em all u know?), if that means we have a solid D again for that season. grimace

Quoting: I_Know_Nothing_About_Hockey_Or_Any_Sport2

I would love a big, physical, cap-controlled top-six winger


Trade Deadline:
Kreider, for less than a 1st round pick. nod

New York Rangers is our fav trading partner cool
30 août 2019 à 8 h 0
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Quoting: feds91stammer
lmao you are pretty delusional eh?


I'm still laughing everytime i think about your comment. tears of joy tears of joy And you're in this site for 4 years. shakes head Yes, you hit the nail in the head about yourself: You are delusional.Help
 
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