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I'm probably way off but my goal was to replace some of the bad contracts with shorter term contracts to help with future cap situations.
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No idea on Greenway's value.
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I've seen some people say Scandella is a cap dump and others saying he's okay so I have no idea here either. I added a pick for the extra years on Rask's contract.
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12 juill. 2019 à 16 h 58
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Well Greenway has the highest value of the MIN trade so that's definitely a no. But that Rask+3rd for Scandella is interesting. Although BUF is very likely to decline since they don't have need for Rask at all.
12 juill. 2019 à 17 h 8
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Well Greenway has the highest value of the MIN trade so that's definitely a no. But that Rask+3rd for Scandella is interesting. Although BUF is very likely to decline since they don't have need for Rask at all.


That's fair. I kinda figured that would be the case. Maybe a lower tier prospect instead of Greenway? The goal in my mind with that move is to clear a little space in addition to the Johnson for Rask swap. While they have no use for Rask from what I've gathered from other AGMs Scandella is probably 4th on the LD side right now so they don't have too much use for him either. But I dunno.
12 juill. 2019 à 17 h 10
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I'd rather get JEE I'm the MIN trade an play him at 3C, but I like the rest of it, we'd still probably have to add a bit, but not a ton, and MIN seems to be fine with a JJ for Rask swap
12 juill. 2019 à 17 h 13
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I'd rather get JEE I'm the MIN trade an play him at 3C, but I like the rest of it, we'd still probably have to add a bit, but not a ton, and MIN seems to be fine with a JJ for Rask swap


That's reasonable to me. I was between those 2 players honestly and had no idea which one has more value so I just picked one. I'd throw in a later round pick or lower prospect of that gets it done.
12 juill. 2019 à 17 h 14
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Well Greenway has the highest value of the MIN trade so that's definitely a no. But that Rask+3rd for Scandella is interesting. Although BUF is very likely to decline since they don't have need for Rask at all.


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That's fair. I kinda figured that would be the case. Maybe a lower tier prospect instead of Greenway? The goal in my mind with that move is to clear a little space in addition to the Johnson for Rask swap. While they have no use for Rask from what I've gathered from other AGMs Scandella is probably 4th on the LD side right now so they don't have too much use for him either. But I dunno.


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I'd rather get JEE I'm the MIN trade an play him at 3C, but I like the rest of it, we'd still probably have to add a bit, but not a ton, and MIN seems to be fine with a JJ for Rask swap


I have a question. Who do y’all think is the better player at their best, Elias Pettersson or Evgeni Malkin?
12 juill. 2019 à 17 h 21
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I have a question. Who do y’all think is the better player at their best, Elias Pettersson or Evgeni Malkin?


I say Malkin easily. We've seen him absolutely take over a game or series (09 Carolina). I've always said Malkin at his best is better than Crosby at his best but Crosby is just consistently at his best so he's the better player overall. Now the reason I find this to be a potentially interesting question is that Malkin didn't do that at all last year, so was it just an off year or the start of a decline that won't see him do that again? If we're talking prime vs. prime it can't be answered yet since Petterson isn't there yet, but Malkins prime was insane.
12 juill. 2019 à 17 h 24
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Quoting: BrandonDubinskyGOAT
I have a question. Who do y’all think is the better player at their best, Elias Pettersson or Evgeni Malkin?


Malkin is a first ballot HOFer. It’s not even close. I doubt petterson will accomplish what Malkin has. 2 Art Ross, Calder, Ted Lindsey, Hart, conn smyth, 3 cups, multiple first/ second team all stars, etc...

Malkin is the 3rd best player of his generation behind Crosby and Ovi
12 juill. 2019 à 17 h 32
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Quoting: BrandonDubinskyGOAT
I have a question. Who do y’all think is the better player at their best, Elias Pettersson or Evgeni Malkin?


Hard to say since Pettersson has only played one season.
12 juill. 2019 à 17 h 34
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That's fair. I kinda figured that would be the case. Maybe a lower tier prospect instead of Greenway? The goal in my mind with that move is to clear a little space in addition to the Johnson for Rask swap. While they have no use for Rask from what I've gathered from other AGMs Scandella is probably 4th on the LD side right now so they don't have too much use for him either. But I dunno.


Both are useless, but I'd keep the one with shorter term, despite getting a pick. They've loaded the team quite much lately so they're gonna need that cap space the expiring contract frees.
12 juill. 2019 à 17 h 50
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I say Malkin easily. We've seen him absolutely take over a game or series (09 Carolina). I've always said Malkin at his best is better than Crosby at his best but Crosby is just consistently at his best so he's the better player overall. Now the reason I find this to be a potentially interesting question is that Malkin didn't do that at all last year, so was it just an off year or the start of a decline that won't see him do that again? If we're talking prime vs. prime it can't be answered yet since Petterson isn't there yet, but Malkins prime was insane.


I think at their absolute best, Crosby is still the better player in all areas of the game. However, Malkin is such a captivating and explosive player given his skillset and talent. I do believe Pettersson will be a top 5 centreman in the game for years to come, but he may not reach the heights of Malkin at his peak. He has better skating and hockey sense, but raw talent wise it’s not equivalent.
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Malkin is a first ballot HOFer. It’s not even close. I doubt petterson will accomplish what Malkin has. 2 Art Ross, Calder, Ted Lindsey, Hart, conn smyth, 3 cups, multiple first/ second team all stars, etc...

Malkin is the 3rd best player of his generation behind Crosby and Ovi


I agree, Malkin is the 3rd best player of the Sid-Ovi era. After him is Kane.
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Hard to say since Pettersson has only played one season.


What about judging their rookie seasons alone?
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I say Malkin easily. We've seen him absolutely take over a game or series (09 Carolina). I've always said Malkin at his best is better than Crosby at his best but Crosby is just consistently at his best so he's the better player overall. Now the reason I find this to be a potentially interesting question is that Malkin didn't do that at all last year, so was it just an off year or the start of a decline that won't see him do that again? If we're talking prime vs. prime it can't be answered yet since Petterson isn't there yet, but Malkins prime was insane.


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Malkin is a first ballot HOFer. It’s not even close. I doubt petterson will accomplish what Malkin has. 2 Art Ross, Calder, Ted Lindsey, Hart, conn smyth, 3 cups, multiple first/ second team all stars, etc...

Malkin is the 3rd best player of his generation behind Crosby and Ovi


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Hard to say since Pettersson has only played one season.


What about Malkin and Matthews, who is better at their absolute best?
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What about Malkin and Matthews, who is better at their absolute best?


To me Malkin's best is tough to beat. It's hard to find a player that has dominated a game more than he did from like 08-12. When he was on there was no stopping him. So to answer you question Malkin.
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What about judging their rookie seasons alone?


both Calder winners. malkin finished 18th in scoring and Petterson finished 61st but missed some time. malkin was on a better team but Peterson had better line mates. malkin was a little older though. id still give the edge to geno though
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What about Malkin and Matthews, who is better at their absolute best?


once again so hard to answer but look at malkins resume. Matthews has A LONG ways to go to match it. by malkins 3rd season he had an art Ross, calder, and conn Smyth. matthews after the same amount of seasons isn't even close. he's been injured I know that but still. i just think its very hard to find a player as dominate as malkin outside of Crosby/ovi. Kane would be #4
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To me Malkin's best is tough to beat. It's hard to find a player that has dominated a game more than he did from like 08-12. When he was on there was no stopping him. So to answer you question Malkin.


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both Calder winners. malkin finished 18th in scoring and Petterson finished 61st but missed some time. malkin was on a better team but Peterson had better line mates. malkin was a little older though. id still give the edge to geno though


Actually, Malkin and Pettersson were the same age, both around 20. Didn’t Malkin play his rookie season with Crosby? I don’t remember exactly.
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That’s right,

Actually, Malkin and Pettersson were the same age, both around 20. Didn’t Malkin play his rookie season with Crosby? I don’t remember exactly.


He came in the next year
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To me Malkin's best is tough to beat. It's hard to find a player that has dominated a game more than he did from like 08-12. When he was on there was no stopping him. So to answer you question Malkin.


Yeah I agree, and I don’t believe Matthews has as good raw talent as Malkin. That’s mainly what separates them. However since 2016-17 no player has more even strength goals than Matthews, so that makes him closer than what most people think.
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He came in the next year


Yeah I know that Malkin came in 2006-07, a season after Crosby’s debut. But do you remember who were Malkin’s linemates that year?
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He came in the next year


Quoting: Pipinghotgatorade
To me Malkin's best is tough to beat. It's hard to find a player that has dominated a game more than he did from like 08-12. When he was on there was no stopping him. So to answer you question Malkin.


Quoting: BurgerBoss
Both are useless, but I'd keep the one with shorter term, despite getting a pick. They've loaded the team quite much lately so they're gonna need that cap space the expiring contract frees.


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I'd rather get JEE I'm the MIN trade an play him at 3C, but I like the rest of it, we'd still probably have to add a bit, but not a ton, and MIN seems to be fine with a JJ for Rask swap


Who’d you guys think will be the better player once their careers are over, Jack Hughes or Brayden Point?
12 juill. 2019 à 19 h 47
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Yeah I know that Malkin came in 2006-07, a season after Crosby’s debut. But do you remember who were Malkin’s linemates that year?


Sid played with Armstrong and Recchi, so it was slim pickings for Malkin based on points. Probably Ryan Malone was his most frequent linemate. Not exactly brock boeser.

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/leagues/seasons/teams/0000502007.html
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Who’d you guys think will be the better player once their careers are over, Jack Hughes or Brayden Point?


Probably Hughes but once again he hasn’t played a game yet and I’m not a fortune teller lmao. Point has already proven NHL success but Hughes is a freak
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Sid played with Armstrong and Recchi, so it was slim pickings for Malkin based on points. Probably Ryan Malone was his most frequent linemate. Not exactly brock boeser.

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/leagues/seasons/teams/0000502007.html


Thanks for the info. Honestly I’m not a big fan of Boeser, he’s a great goal scorer but that’s about it. Doesn’t really skate well or have much agility, plus his puck skills and stick handling are average. Still, way better than Malone of course.
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Probably Hughes but once again he hasn’t played a game yet and I’m not a fortune teller lmao. Point has already proven NHL success but Hughes is a freak


Hughes’ stick handling and skating is unparalleled. In your opinion, who is the better player at their best, Jordan Staal or Nick Bonino?
 
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