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8 juill. 2019 à 17 h 4
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I think the discussion will start with samuel girard!
8 juill. 2019 à 17 h 9
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I think the discussion will start with samuel girard!


hahaha you wish Drouin would garner that sort of player but you are dreaming. Sakic laughs and hangs up at the mention of Girards name
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3C, Prospect D (Top AHL/NHL possibility), and 1st Rd Pick doesn't do it?
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Thought about Drouin + Mete for Zadorov + Jost
8 juill. 2019 à 17 h 24
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hahaha you wish Drouin would garner that sort of player but you are dreaming. Sakic laughs and hangs up at the mention of Girards name


Calm down samuel girard is good but he isn’t raymond bourque! I think that drouin for girard is fair! Montreal doesn’t want too trade drouin so if colorado want him they will have too gave something. And colorado don’t want to trade girard so both team keep their player! Montreal dont need piece of trash like jost and meloche and the first will be in the 20-30 range pick so a big no
8 juill. 2019 à 17 h 25
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3C, Prospect D (Top AHL/NHL possibility), and 1st Rd Pick doesn't do it?


The thing with Drouin is that his ceiling is really high, we don't know where he'll top out at yet. With his skill he should be around a 70+ point player, but he's had consistency issues. Many like myself (and probably Habs management) are willing to wait to see if he reaches that potential in the next couple of years. So Colorado would have to give up something for that high potential and a 1st round pick is not going to do it. You would have to really entice us and that player might be Girard.
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Thought about Drouin + Mete for Zadorov + Jost


Have you watch game of Montreal! Jost and zadorov won’t even gave you drouin why the hell montreal send you mete as a gift! Maybe jost and zadorov for 1st 2020 and 2021 plus kotkaniemi and carey price
8 juill. 2019 à 17 h 30
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3C, Prospect D (Top AHL/NHL possibility), and 1st Rd Pick doesn't do it?


Would you trade mackinon for a third line center a B prospect on defense and a first choice ? ( drouin isnt mackinon i now that but he as the same value for montreal he is a 1 st line p’ayer)
8 juill. 2019 à 17 h 31
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Calm down samuel girard is good but he isn’t raymond bourque! I think that drouin for girard is fair! Montreal doesn’t want too trade drouin so if colorado want him they will have too gave something. And colorado don’t want to trade girard so both team keep their player! Montreal dont need piece of trash like jost and meloche and the first will be in the 20-30 range pick so a big no


Girard holds more value than Drouin, its just that simple. Drouin isnt anything special, montreal fans need to come to grips with that. When you have been matched by Ryan Dzingle (157gm 97pts to Drouin 158gm 99pts) the past 2 seasons...you dont move young talented dmen like Girard for that sort of 1 dimensional second tier complimentary scoring
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I would say you're (however reasonably, but not market reasonably) overvaluing Drouin
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8 juill. 2019 à 17 h 34
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The thing with Drouin is that his ceiling is really high, we don't know where he'll top out at yet. With his skill he should be around a 70+ point player, but he's had consistency issues. Many like myself (and probably Habs management) are willing to wait to see if he reaches that potential in the next couple of years. So Colorado would have to give up something for that high potential and a 1st round pick is not going to do it. You would have to really entice us and that player might be Girard.


Drouin is the same as Ryan Dzingle in terms of production. Lets stop pretending there is some giant new ceiling he could maybe hit after 5 years and over 300 NHL games under his belt . Hes getting to the point that this is who he is and you are now seeing his baseline in terms of production
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Girard holds more value than Drouin, its just that simple. Drouin isnt anything special, montreal fans need to come to grips with that. When you have been matched by Ryan Dzingle (157gm 97pts to Drouin 158gm 99pts) the past 2 seasons...you dont move young talented dmen like Girard for that sort of 1 dimensional second tier complimentary scoring


Its just that simple for you because you value more
Girard than drouin! But the fact that for montreal drouin as more value than you gave him that the why! We don’t gave a **** of what you think if colorado is calling for drouin what bergevin ask is girard and that its! Montreal isnt goiing to gave you drouin for pieces of trash like jost and meloche! Even if you considered that girard have more value, that what the habs will ask for? Im not saying that girard isnt good because i think is a reel good yound D but the fact is montreal doesnt want to trade drouin so they value him high! It would be different if montreal would want to get rid of drouin is value would be not as high because team no he on the move
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Drouin is the same as Ryan Dzingle in terms of production. Lets stop pretending there is some giant new ceiling he could maybe hit after 5 years and over 300 NHL games under his belt . Hes getting to the point that this is who he is and you are now seeing his baseline in terms of production


Nathan mackinon asnt have more than 63 pount in is 4 first years after 300 nhl game and he top 97 and 99 point the next two season! Its the same thing drouin could explose this year and montreal would have ****y player like jost and meloche not a chance
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Drouin is the same as Ryan Dzingle in terms of production. Lets stop pretending there is some giant new ceiling he could maybe hit after 5 years and over 300 NHL games under his belt . Hes getting to the point that this is who he is and you are now seeing his baseline in terms of production


My god this is a hot take. You obviously have never seen Drouin play. He had 46 points in 56 games before he hit a wall and got third line minutes. It's not his skill which is in question (which is miles ahead of Dzingle by the way) when he's on he is the most dominant player on the ice...it's his consistency that is the issue and that is more of a maturity thing. Most of us Habs fans think he'll be just fine thanks.
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My god this is a hot take. You obviously have never seen Drouin play. He had 46 points in 56 games before he hit a wall and got third line minutes. It's not his skill which is in question (which is miles ahead of Dzingle by the way) when he's on he is the most dominant player on the ice...it's his consistency that is the issue and that is more of a maturity thing. Most of us Habs fans think he'll be just fine thanks.[/quote

Drouin will get 65 point this year mark my words! Maybe more
8 juill. 2019 à 17 h 52
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My god this is a hot take. You obviously have never seen Drouin play. He had 46 points in 56 games before he hit a wall and got third line minutes. It's not his skill which is in question (which is miles ahead of Dzingle by the way) when he's on he is the most dominant player on the ice...it's his consistency that is the issue and that is more of a maturity thing. Most of us Habs fans think he'll be just fine thanks.


Did you gloss over saying hes an inconstant offensive player, you are making my point for me.... Scoring in bunches and then going silent...thats exactly what an incomplete player does . Whens hes scoring and on, he brings a lot to the table, but with his lack of effort issues and his inconsistent scoring...when hes not scoring he brings nothing due to his lack of defensively ability

Dzingle doesnt have the upside since he is the older player but he scores the same as Drouin but is better defensively and can play all positions as well (drouin is not a C lets not pretend he can).
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Nathan mackinon asnt have more than 63 pount in is 4 first years after 300 nhl game and he top 97 and 99 point the next two season! Its the same thing drouin could explose this year and montreal would have ****y player like jost and meloche not a chance


MacKinnon did it entering into his 5th season and 300 games....Drouin is now going into his 6th season and has over 300 games and still hasnt shown that he is a compelte player. You are more likely getting this is what he is as a bench mark vs hes going to be an elite top 10 scoring winger in this league.

he will be a 50-60 point guy, hes not going to magically turn into a 75-80 pt guy, if he does he is maxing out his full potential finally and over coming all those effort and inconsistency issues. But those are a lot harder to over come.
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Did you gloss over saying hes an inconstant offensive player, you are making my point for me.... Scoring in bunches and then going silent...thats exactly what an incomplete player does . Whens hes scoring and on, he brings a lot to the table, but with his lack of effort issues and his inconsistent scoring...when hes not scoring he brings nothing due to his lack of defensively ability

Dzingle doesnt have the upside since he is the older player but he scores the same as Drouin but is better defensively and can play all positions as well (drouin is not a C lets not pretend he can).


You haven’t watch game last year of drouin! He isn’t that kind of player anymore! He do some backchecking, go hard on forecheck he play a more complete game that he did when he came too montreal! Yes he add a slump last year but every player goes to slump even sydney crosby have one last year at the beginning of the year
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Its just that simple for you because you value more
Girard than drouin! But the fact that for montreal drouin as more value than you gave him that the why! We don’t gave a **** of what you think if colorado is calling for drouin what bergevin ask is girard and that its! Montreal isnt goiing to gave you drouin for pieces of trash like jost and meloche! Even if you considered that girard have more value, that what the habs will ask for? Im not saying that girard isnt good because i think is a reel good yound D but the fact is montreal doesnt want to trade drouin so they value him high! It would be different if montreal would want to get rid of drouin is value would be not as high because team no he on the move


You do realize what you are accusing me of you are dong the exact same thing...haha that is rich. Look into the mirror buddy
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You haven’t watch game last year of drouin! He isn’t that kind of player anymore! He do some backchecking, go hard on forecheck he play a more complete game that he did when he came too montreal! Yes he add a slump last year but every player goes to slump even sydney crosby have one last year at the beginning of the year


Right....I guess him being called out for effort, floating, defensive miscues being relegated to the bottom 6th when the team was trying to make the playoffs is him not being that player anymore. If he was backchecing forcehcking etc he would have been trusted to play to play int the top 6 instead of getting 4th line minutes.
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MacKinnon did it entering into his 5th season and 300 games....Drouin is now going into his 6th season and has over 300 games and still hasnt shown that he is a compelte player. You are more likely getting this is what he is as a bench mark vs hes going to be an elite top 10 scoring winger in this league.

he will be a 50-60 point guy, hes not going to magically turn into a 75-80 pt guy, if he does he is maxing out his full potential finally and over coming all those effort and inconsistency issues. But those are a lot harder to over come.


Loll so for mackinon its work but for drouin it doesn’t?? What is that logic? So
Mackinon was a 63 38 52 and 53 point players and magically explose too 97 and 99! Why drouin could put 70 point! Its the same thing why it be different with drouin? The only reason why its because your not liking him and your not objective with your argument!
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Right....I guess him being called out for effort, floating, defensive miscues being relegated to the bottom 6th when the team was trying to make the playoffs is him not being that player anymore. If he was backchecing forcehcking etc he would have been trusted to play to play int the top 6 instead of getting 4th line minutes.


He never play 4th line minute last year! You haven’t watch a game all year long! Claude
Julien was playing all 4 line all year long! The fourth line guys played at least 10 minutes, and drouin played like most of the forwards 16 min per game! Do some research before throwing stuff in the air! I put all
The numbers on the table the proven my point
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Loll so for mackinon its work but for drouin it doesn’t?? What is that logic? So
Mackinon was a 63 38 52 and 53 point players and magically explose too 97 and 99! Why drouin could put 70 point! Its the same thing why it be different with drouin? The only reason why its because your not liking him and your not objective with your argument!


Yes for the more part that it was for MackInnon, he was an considered a statistic abnormally based on the number of shots he was taking for this first 4 seasons. All the evidence was pointing he will produce bc at the rate he shoots (Kessel, Ovi, etc top int he league) statically it didnt make sense for him not to be producing more offense.

MacK never has been called out for lack of effort, etc etc. Drouin has by 2 NHL teams and their fan bases already. Sorry but thats just the reality of what player you have in Drouin, an inconsistent offensively talent but flawed player
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He never play 4th line minute last year! You haven’t watch a game all year long! Claude
Julien was playing all 4 line all year long! The fourth line guys played at least 10 minutes, and drouin played like most of the forwards 16 min per game! Do some research before throwing stuff in the air! I put all
The numbers on the table the proven my point


https://www.tsn.ca/drouin-seeks-other-ways-to-help-habs-despite-recent-struggles-1.1280016
"line has been giving them fourth-line minutes."

He was given 4th line minutes last year during his "struggle" Sorry but that is the hard facts, the game logs are there if you want me to go pull them up for you
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Yes for the more part that it was for MackInnon, he was an considered a statistic abnormally based on the number of shots he was taking for this first 4 seasons. All the evidence was pointing he will produce bc at the rate he shoots (Kessel, Ovi, etc top int he league) statically it didnt make sense for him not to be producing more offense.

MacK never has been called out for lack of effort, etc etc. Drouin has by 2 NHL teams and their fan bases already. Sorry but thats just the reality of what player you have in Drouin, an inconsistent offensively talent but flawed player


That not a fact that is your opinion! If drouin p’ay with rantanen and landeskog and play 20 min a game he might put the same
Numbers then mackinnon! There no reason he can put 70 point on board with Montreal for the next few year! When the season is ended and drouin top 70 point in scoring i hope you’ll remember me!! All the evidence was pointing ahah just stop with that! A lot of player top at 24-25 sean couturier elias lindholm mika zibanejad ... all those player start a young age and never add much offensive number but they all finally reach the 70 point so will see at the end of this year
 
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