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30 juin 2019 à 22 h 44
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I’d say you’d need to throw in at least a second round pick in the deal but would like to see this happen!
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Nyquist fits perfect and has chemistry playing with with Tater
nothing but positive here

Lee's is Alzner 2.0 and wont fit our system
he's big , he's getting older and hasnt hit 30 since Tavares left .
if you want him to hit 30 plus you're gonna need a top 5 NHL All Star Center we dont have.

Ghost is not a good fit , he's not a pressure player and horrible in his own end
it wont be Christmas break and Claude Julien will have him riding a bench trying to grind away those bad habits like he did Petry .
i just dont see MTL investing that kind of effort in Ghost just because he speaks french .

Provorov who's reportedly unhappy with contract talks with new GM Chuck Fletcher however is someone giving up a Drouin's worth after the price we payed .
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30 juin 2019 à 22 h 46
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I’d say you’d need to throw in at least a second round pick in the deal but would like to see this happen!


hahahahaha no

Drouin has a greater value then anyone here is giving him
we didnt give up Sergachev when Drouin produced exactly like he is now
just to take on 26 year old Ghost coming off a bad year . . .

it makes no sense
30 juin 2019 à 22 h 55
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Quoting: Billy739
Nyquist fits perfect and has chemistry playing with with Tater
nothing but positive here

Lee's is Alzner 2.0 and wont fit our system
he's big , he's getting older and hasnt hit 30 since Tavares left .
if you want him to hit 30 plus you're gonna need a top 5 NHL All Star Center we dont have.

Ghost is not a good fit , he's not a pressure player and horrible in his own end
it wont be Christmas break and Claude Julien will have him riding a bench trying to grind away those bad habits like he did Petry .
i just dont see MTL investing that kind of effort in Ghost just because he speaks french .

Provorov who's reportedly unhappy with contract talks with new GM Chuck Fletcher however is someone giving up a Drouin's worth after the price we payed .


Provorov stated he wants to stay in Philly at exit interviews and sure that was a bit ago but I doubt things have changed that much. Provorov want 8x8 and is also coming off a bad year reports said they are far apart haven't seen one that said he's unhappy.
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30 juin 2019 à 23 h 0
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Provorov stated he wants to stay in Philly at exit interviews and sure that was a bit ago but I doubt things have changed that much. Provorov want 8x8 and is also coming off a bad year reports said they are far apart haven't seen one that said he's unhappy.


if you dont think everything you stated has made him unhappy , i think we have different definitions of the term :P

but if it saves feelings and avoid's semantic's
he's not satisfied with the current GM offering a bridge deal and when he wants a long term high end contract likely in the 5-6 m area .
PHI can likely solve the problem no doubt but my point was he's someone worth giving up Drouin for , Ghost isnt .

Provorov's a stud , everyone wants a D like that .
Ghost is an offensive D who cant play well in his own end , the league has a couple dozen of them .
Ghost is good just not moving Drouin good , moving a 1st , 2nd and a Prospect , sure but not Drouin
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30 juin 2019 à 23 h 5
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Quoting: Billy739
if you dont think everything you stated has made him unhappy , i think we have different definitions of the term :P

but if it saves feelings and avoid's semantic's
he's not satisfied with the current GM offering a bridge deal and when he wants a long term high end contract likely in the 5-6 m area .
PHI can likely solve the problem no doubt but my point was he's someone worth giving up Drouin for , Ghost isnt .

Provorov's a stud , everyone wants a D like that .
Ghost is an offensive D who cant play well in his own end , the league has a couple dozen of them .
Ghost is good just not moving Drouin good , moving a 1st , 2nd and a Prospect , sure but not Drouin


If what he wanted was a long term deal worth between 5-6m I'm sure a deal would be signed. All reports I've seen are that he want a long term deal worth 8m which is why they are far apart. I believe they are willing to pay from 6-7.3m but he wants 8m.
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30 juin 2019 à 23 h 5
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hahahahaha no

Drouin has a greater value then anyone here is giving him
we didnt give up Sergachev when Drouin produced exactly like he is now
just to take on 26 year old Ghost coming off a bad year . . .

it makes no sense


you didn't give up sergochev for a 21 yr old top 5 pick to perform at 50 point clip in and less than 20 goals. just because you're team gave up a top 4 defenseman for average top 6 winger doesn't mean that its market value. mtl was banking on Drouin increasing his performance not leveling off.

there are about 50 wings in the NHL who score between 45 and 60 points, and most of those guys are 20+ goal scores, something Drouin is not. there are about 25 D in the league who put up 35-50 points. furthermore Ghost is on a sweet heart deal that is well below what his comps get paid. drouin gets paid slightly above his comps.

if you think a mediocre slightly over paid top 6 forward has more value than an underpaid at minimum 40 point puck moving D, you have not been paying attention to positional and archetype value trends over the last 5 years
30 juin 2019 à 23 h 11
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Nyquist fits perfect and has chemistry playing with with Tater
nothing but positive here

Lee's is Alzner 2.0 and wont fit our system
he's big , he's getting older and hasnt hit 30 since Tavares left .
if you want him to hit 30 plus you're gonna need a top 5 NHL All Star Center we dont have.

Ghost is not a good fit , he's not a pressure player and horrible in his own end
it wont be Christmas break and Claude Julien will have him riding a bench trying to grind away those bad habits like he did Petry .
i just dont see MTL investing that kind of effort in Ghost just because he speaks french .

Provorov who's reportedly unhappy with contract talks with new GM Chuck Fletcher however is someone giving up a Drouin's worth after the price we payed .


lol lee hit 28 in a new, defensive oriented system. he'll hit 30 in this offense.
30 juin 2019 à 23 h 11
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Quoting: Billy739
Nyquist fits perfect and has chemistry playing with with Tater
nothing but positive here

Lee's is Alzner 2.0 and wont fit our system
he's big , he's getting older and hasnt hit 30 since Tavares left .
if you want him to hit 30 plus you're gonna need a top 5 NHL All Star Center we dont have.

Ghost is not a good fit , he's not a pressure player and horrible in his own end
it wont be Christmas break and Claude Julien will have him riding a bench trying to grind away those bad habits like he did Petry .
i just dont see MTL investing that kind of effort in Ghost just because he speaks french .

Provorov who's reportedly unhappy with contract talks with new GM Chuck Fletcher however is someone giving up a Drouin's worth after the price we payed .


Ghost is not talking French...and Provorov is not on the move , certainly not for Drouin

Ghost has better value than Drouin
30 juin 2019 à 23 h 21
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Anders lee on more than 3 years deal is too dangerous. He does not have the skating ability too have success long term in the fast pace nhl! Sure its would help montreal but not on the term he want. 3 years 18 millions is the max marc bergevin should gave him! But i doubt really much that marc bergevin want too bring a guy like him or simmonds, they play with so much pace and speed not a good fit! Marcus johanssan will be more of a target great speed will cost 4 millions on a 3 -4 years contract
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If what he wanted was a long term deal worth between 5-6m I'm sure a deal would be signed. All reports I've seen are that he want a long term deal worth 8m which is why they are far apart. I believe they are willing to pay from 6-7.3m but he wants 8m.


8m is rough , i mean he'll be worth it but what if he has a Staal level career changing injury
30 juin 2019 à 23 h 22
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Anders lee on more than 3 years deal is too dangerous. He does not have the skating ability too have success long term in the fast pace nhl! Sure its would help montreal but not on the term he want. 3 years 18 millions is the max marc bergevin should gave him! But i doubt really much that marc bergevin want too bring a guy like him or simmonds, they play with so much pace and speed not a good fit! Marcus johanssan will be more of a target great speed will cost 4 millions on a 3 -4 years contract


We wouldn’t trade Shaw to replace him by Lee
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30 juin 2019 à 23 h 24
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Quoting: Phil2893
Ghost is not talking French...and Provorov is not on the move , certainly not for Drouin

Ghost has better value than Drouin


Quoting: Sebybbq
Anders lee on more than 3 years deal is too dangerous. He does not have the skating ability too have success long term in the fast pace nhl! Sure its would help montreal but not on the term he want. 3 years 18 millions is the max marc bergevin should gave him! But i doubt really much that marc bergevin want too bring a guy like him or simmonds, they play with so much pace and speed not a good fit! Marcus johanssan will be more of a target great speed will cost 4 millions on a 3 -4 years contract


see now this makes sense
Johansson plays a similar mentorship role for young Centers that Eller and Shaw did .
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30 juin 2019 à 23 h 25
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Quoting: Phil2893
Ghost is not talking French...and Provorov is not on the move , certainly not for Drouin

Ghost has better value than Drouin


Ghost isnt worth ****! He suck badly on defence, why do you think fletcher want’s too get ride of him! He’s a very good puck mover i gave you that but in is own zone he must be one of the worst defender in the league so is value is not that high. Its not bobby orr god dammit! That just something the journalist have created in the paper bergevin isnt trading drouin for ghost
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lol lee hit 28 in a new, defensive oriented system. he'll hit 30 in this offense.


we're not an offense based team incase you're new to Claude Julien's coach system .
we're a defense based team built on speed and checking .

Lee is like Alzner was
appealing until he hits the ice and we see how much slower he is then everyone else .
you cannot have a guy dragging ass and even though Lee might be worth it to a team with a system like STL or BOS.
MTL is speed and dense based and it wont be a year in before fans start treating Lee like they did Alzner
30 juin 2019 à 23 h 28
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hahahahaha no

Drouin has a greater value then anyone here is giving him
we didnt give up Sergachev when Drouin produced exactly like he is now
just to take on 26 year old Ghost coming off a bad year . . .

it makes no sense


How do you think drouin who hasn’t done a whole lot the past few years in Mtl has so much value ?? Julien completely changed his coaching ways last year if you didn’t notice so ghost wouldn’t be riding the bench at all especially playing next to a guy like Weber they’d off set each other perfectly
30 juin 2019 à 23 h 29
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Quoting: Billy739
see now this makes sense
Johansson plays a similar mentorship role for young Centers that Eller and Shaw did .


Yes a guy like nyguist got speed too and he is effective on powerplay! I don’t thibk montreal will be big spender tomorrow maybe gardiner at the right price but it sound too me like bergevin with stick with is approach of drafting and go for a trade because we start too have a lots of asset in the club and in the minors
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Ghost isnt worth ****! He suck badly on defence, why do you think fletcher want’s too get ride of him! He’s a very good puck mover i gave you that but in is own zone he must be one of the worst defender in the league so is value is not that high. Its not bobby orr god dammit! That just something the journalist have created in the paper bergevin isnt trading drouin for ghost


i just look at Ghost , then i look at Subbans return who's a similar style player but clearly superior .
then i look at what people think Ghostisbhere is worth and laugh

i mean Ghost is good and i'd give up Picks for him , maybe even an Ikonen , Teasdale or Fleruy but not a single starter
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How do you think drouin who hasn’t done a whole lot the past few years in Mtl has so much value ?? Julien completely changed his coaching ways last year if you didn’t notice so ghost wouldn’t be riding the bench at all especially playing next to a guy like Weber they’d off set each other perfectly


you've clearly never played hockey but were raised by a single mom because you start and end arguments like a woman(ignore Context )
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i just look at Ghost , then i look at Subbans return who's a similar style player but clearly superior .
then i look at what people think Ghostisbhere is worth and laugh

i mean Ghost is good and i'd give up Picks for him , maybe even an Ikonen , Teasdale or Fleruy but not a single starter


Yes you built a package around a second round pick and cale fleury than a prospect with some upside like cam hillis or teasdale as you mentioned drouin will have is best season this year i noticed that he changed is style last season he is more involved, he was doiing great back check playing harder on board using is speed too cut inside! I think that a reason why he add a little slump a the end off the years! But this years he will top 65 points
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Yes you built a package around a second round pick and cale fleury than a prospect with some upside like cam hillis or teasdale as you mentioned drouin will have is best season this year i noticed that he changed is style last season he is more involved, he was doiing great back check playing harder on board using is speed too cut inside! I think that a reason why he add a little slump a the end off the years! But this years he will top 65 points


he's training differently to this year .
the past few seasons its been all about getting faster
this season he's focusing on getting stronger overall
or atleast his dad says anyways . (my boss golf's with him for years now )
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we're not an offense based team incase you're new to Claude Julien's coach system .
we're a defense based team built on speed and checking .

Lee is like Alzner was
appealing until he hits the ice and we see how much slower he is then everyone else .
you cannot have a guy dragging ass and even though Lee might be worth it to a team with a system like STL or BOS.
MTL is speed and dense based and it wont be a year in before fans start treating Lee like they did Alzner


you don't need to be fast when you literally can't be moved from the house and are money in tight with his release. he needs strong perimeter players who get pucks to the net. MTL had the second highest 5v5 CF in the league last year.
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he's training differently to this year .
the past few seasons its been all about getting faster
this season he's focusing on getting stronger overall
or atleast his dad says anyways . (my boss golf's with him for years now )


And he got use too the montreal circus with all
The reporter and rumors! He made 53 point last year with a terrible powerplay, this year with a powerplay in the 20% range he will top 65 for sure
30 juin 2019 à 23 h 45
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Quoting: Billy739
you've clearly never played hockey but were raised by a single mom because you start and end arguments like a woman(ignore Context )


Hahaha I don’t come on capfriendly to start arguments(like apparently you like to do) if you look there’s is a couple things called question marks after my first sentence so if you had a brain you would’ve just answered the question instead of making some stupid comment about how I was raised and what level of hockey I played .. take a hike keyboard warrior
30 juin 2019 à 23 h 46
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Quoting: trickydick55
you don't need to be fast when you literally can't be moved from the house and are money in tight with his release. he needs strong perimeter players who get pucks to the net. MTL had the second highest 5v5 CF in the league last year.


But montreal makes there opportunity by forchecking fast and by circling the puck he was great with the islanders because they play a crushing style! Puck when up on there defenceman and crash the net that not how montreal play thay are more a controle team they need players that can play with the puck
 
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