I think the Kreider trade works. Make the pick a 2020 though.

The Shatty trade is pretty laughable.

You can drop the 2nd rounder from the Vegas trade

Aside from that it looks fine.

No way in hell Vegas gives Miller in that trade without the pick

Every Ranger fan: "Shattenkirk is a huge disappointment. We need to trade him and clear out the logjam on Defense. Get one of the kids in there. He has not lived up to his Contract or our expectations "

Also every Ranger fan: "That's your trade proposal for Shattenkirk? That's unbelievably bad! This is Shattenkirk we're talking about here. Anybody but us would love to have this guy. You're going to have to do a lot better than that to acquire the guy we're all dying to get rid of"

Absolutely. The Pick makes the deal work.

Yeah I think the former are idiots. Shatty is not the problem. He's been pretty great relative to the rest. It's Staal/Pionk/Ruff that are the problem.

Kreider deal would be pretty nice. Shattenkirk deal is kinda a spark of genius helping each other out but us getting $6.6M off the books for 2 seasons for $4M that’s expiring while buffalo gets another stable RHD to replace Bogosian and the picks are good.

The difference between Reeves / Fast = The difference between Pionk/Miller in terms of perceived value.

Hence no pick.

Except that Shatty is an above average dman while Scandella is one of the league's worth. If that difference is worth a bottom 6 contract then sure...

Your getting assets to get rid of a bad contract. How is that not a good thing.

Like the idea of CGY adding Kreider, but can’t see Treliving giving up that many assets. Especially since the move would eat up even more cap space, which CGY is trying to navigate this summer anyways.

Kreider or Tkachuk would need to move to RW as well.

I’d offer a counter idea, but I’m not sure how a Kreider to CGY deal could come together.

I think you are overvaluing the Rangers players. But let's say you are correct. Why would Vegas do the deal or even the Rangers for that matter? They would be better off keeping the players they know and have chemistry with their line mates.

Would you trade Ristolainen for Brendan Smith and then retain Risto for half his contract and consider a 2nd and 6th to be enough compensation?

You'd laugh that off.

Now realize that Shatty brings a more positive contribution than Risto and Scandella brings a way more negative contribution than Smith....

Kevin Shattenkirk spoiled his value. Am I happy about that? Of course not. But it’s a delirious idea to think we can trade him, not take on additional cap, and get significant compensation.

$$$$

Miller to Pionk on a bridge saves the team about 1.5-2 mil

Reeves to Fast saves the team about a mil.

Netting 3 mil for a net loss of basically nothing in terms of value means a lot for a team that's cap crunched.

2nd Round Pick. Cap relief. Fast an improvement over Reaves. Makes it worth it

So again....why would you give away Shatty who you KNOW you're going to get less value back than what he provides to your team than give away Staal who you'll get At WORST equal value than what he provides. I mean most of the deals I construct try to deal Staal for Eriksson or something comparable.

The other thing is that the deal listed here has ZERO to do with cap. With the Retention, you're actually paying MORE than you were against the cap to have a significantly worse player....

What would you propose for Kreider as a 1 year rental?

But that's kinda the point. Miller market trade value is about a 2nd + 3rd/4th

Pionk market trade value is about a 2nd/3rd. The difference between Fast and Reaves is worth about a 4th. Hence zero need for the pick...

I agree with you. I totally disagree with Sage who wants the deal without the pick and claims the players are equal.

For this year, when you have Cap room to spare. More for next year, with Scandella gone. As well as opening up the roster spot.

Bennett is going to cost 2.75ish for a 2yr bridge. Kreider comes in at 4.25 next year. With Mangiapane coming back (~1mil) as well. The net cap add comes out to about 500k. I don't think that's actually an issue. And the extension would kick in when guys like Brodie/Hamonic/Stone are all off the books and the trade doesn't involve taking any of the young dmen who are slated to fill those spots.

Not disagreeing that Staal isn't an issue. But with his NTC and even lesser value, he is completely unmovable. Only a buyout option. And by having more Cap room around him, it allows us to comfortably cradle him for 2 years without having to buy him out over 4.

Yes but it’s for long term cap relief and to get the picks and open the spot for a younger player because Scandella should be sent down.

I don't claim the players are equal at all. I said the differences are equal.

Pionk is a 26pt guy on a TERRIBLE team. Miller is a 29 pt guy on a VERY good team. After both scoring .5 pts/gm last year.

Fast is a defensive forward who plays 15 mins a night, gets about 20-30 points a year and is your #1 PK guy
Reaves is a defensive forward who doesn't play great defense, plays 10 mins a night, gets 10-20 points and fights maybe 5 times a year.

yeah you never know how unmovable he is until you....try to move him. After all if Jack Johnson and Karl Alzner and Dan Girardi are worth contracts....so is Marc Staal to some team.