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Killing many birds with one stone

Créé par: Gnarfflinger
Équipe: 2019-20 Maple Leafs de Toronto
Date de création initiale: 30 mai 2019
Publié: 30 mai 2019
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
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Edmonton needs someone that can play with McDavid, Toronto needs an upgrade over Dermott on the top pair. Both sides are in Cap Hell...
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  1. Larsson, Adam
  2. Choix de 2e ronde en 2019 (EDM)
  3. Choix de 3e ronde en 2019 (NYI)
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30 mai 2019 à 6 h 41
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You just disgustingly overpaid for Marner. Try again
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30 mai 2019 à 7 h 3
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Quoting: Jangle29
You just disgustingly overpaid for Marner. Try again


I would love to get him for around 8 or 8.5, but at that price, you may have to wait until the end of November to get that deal. We all saw how that worked with Nylander...

Besides, for every person thinking I have overpayed, there are ten saying he won't come for less than that...
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30 mai 2019 à 7 h 7
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I would love to get him for around 8 or 8.5, but at that price, you may have to wait until the end of November to get that deal. We all saw how that worked with Nylander...

Besides, for every person thinking I have overpayed, there are ten saying he won't come for less than that...


If a team offer sheets Marner, it probably would be that amount possibly more. I also think Kapanen and Andreas Johnson would want a little bit more $, the issue though is almost $5M over the cap. I’m not sure but I think putting Horton on LTIR nullifies his $5.3M cap hit. And yeah Nylander held out and it totally ruined his season, best to “overpay” Marner by like $1M than to have him sit out close to half the season.
30 mai 2019 à 7 h 10
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Quoting: Gnarfflinger
I would love to get him for around 8 or 8.5, but at that price, you may have to wait until the end of November to get that deal. We all saw how that worked with Nylander...

Besides, for every person thinking I have overpayed, there are ten saying he won't come for less than that...


I agree: His camp thinks he deserves the same as Matthews, and regardless of anyone's opinion on the matter, he has outscored everyone on the Leafs (You could make the argument that if Matthews was healthy and available that he would have outscored Marner, however that does not hold much water: Players NEED to be available. "What ifs" do not play in a salary negotiation).

This is probably the best job I have seen someone do with trying to tackle the Leafs cap issues. In this scenario, they're still around $4.9 million over the cap, so they'll have to trade Kadri and/or find someone willing to take Zaitsev, and money cannot come back. Larsson would look great with them: Great job! smile
30 mai 2019 à 7 h 10
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Doesn’t EDM have their own cap challenges? Can they take on an extra $4M cap?
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30 mai 2019 à 7 h 37
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Quoting: Gnarfflinger
I would love to get him for around 8 or 8.5, but at that price, you may have to wait until the end of November to get that deal. We all saw how that worked with Nylander...

Besides, for every person thinking I have overpayed, there are ten saying he won't come for less than that...


With every 5 leaf fans who have a clue there are 20 that are stupid. Just part of loving this team you have to accept. There are exactly 0.0 facts why Marner should be making 9.5 mil or more ket alone 9 honestly
30 mai 2019 à 8 h 14
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Quoting: Gnarfflinger
I would love to get him for around 8 or 8.5, but at that price, you may have to wait until the end of November to get that deal. We all saw how that worked with Nylander...

Besides, for every person thinking I have overpayed, there are ten saying he won't come for less than that...


November it is then.
30 mai 2019 à 8 h 16
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If a team offer sheets Marner, it probably would be that amount possibly more. I also think Kapanen and Andreas Johnson would want a little bit more $, the issue though is almost $5M over the cap. I’m not sure but I think putting Horton on LTIR nullifies his $5.3M cap hit. And yeah Nylander held out and it totally ruined his season, best to “overpay” Marner by like $1M than to have him sit out close to half the season.


Half a season doesn't matter. They were fine without Nylander, who could fill in just fine with JT, they'd be fine without Marner too.
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30 mai 2019 à 8 h 18
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With every 5 leaf fans who have a clue there are 20 that are stupid. Just part of loving this team you have to accept. There are exactly 0.0 facts why Marner should be making 9.5 mil or more ket alone 9 honestly


You're being awfully generous with your ratio.
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30 mai 2019 à 8 h 58
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Quoting: Goulet
November it is then.


Nah, just trade him and get on with it. After the Mylander saga surely the leafs have realized there isnt alot of benefit to allowing one player to hold the organization hostage.

Marner for a stud rhd as Mos partner, plus keeping Kap and Johnsson, plus cap space, plus removing a potentially problematic ego makes alot more sense to me than Marner at 11M or more..
30 mai 2019 à 15 h 32
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Nah, just trade him and get on with it. After the Mylander saga surely the leafs have realized there isnt alot of benefit to allowing one player to hold the organization hostage.

Marner for a stud rhd as Mos partner, plus keeping Kap and Johnsson, plus cap space, plus removing a potentially problematic ego makes alot more sense to me than Marner at 11M or more..


Who might this mystery stud be?
30 mai 2019 à 15 h 45
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Who might this mystery stud be?


Who could say for sure.. But if Marner ends up getting traded you can bet that a rhd is the targetted return.

There's been some recent discussion atound here on the merrits of a Marner for Dumba and Greenway.. with some saying Miny would need to add a 2nd and others saying that it would be Marner for Dumba straight up..

personally, I could see a whole lot of reasons on why a Marner for Dumba and Greenway trade would be a win for the leafs.
30 mai 2019 à 20 h 10
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Quoting: Philu916
If a team offer sheets Marner, it probably would be that amount possibly more. I also think Kapanen and Andreas Johnson would want a little bit more $, the issue though is almost $5M over the cap. I’m not sure but I think putting Horton on LTIR nullifies his $5.3M cap hit. And yeah Nylander held out and it totally ruined his season, best to “overpay” Marner by like $1M than to have him sit out close to half the season.


Horton on LTIR will give us 5.3 million in cap relief. That doesn't make the flames of Cap Hell any cooler...
30 mai 2019 à 20 h 14
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I agree: His camp thinks he deserves the same as Matthews, and regardless of anyone's opinion on the matter, he has outscored everyone on the Leafs (You could make the argument that if Matthews was healthy and available that he would have outscored Marner, however that does not hold much water: Players NEED to be available. "What ifs" do not play in a salary negotiation).

This is probably the best job I have seen someone do with trying to tackle the Leafs cap issues. In this scenario, they're still around $4.9 million over the cap, so they'll have to trade Kadri and/or find someone willing to take Zaitsev, and money cannot come back. Larsson would look great with them: Great job! smile


Thank you. As mentioned above, Horton will not count against the cap while on LTIR. Also Zaitsev has requested a trade out of Toronto. There might be some hope for more money for Kapanen and Johnsson if they can offload Zaitsev.
30 mai 2019 à 20 h 16
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Doesn’t EDM have their own cap challenges? Can they take on an extra $4M cap?


They do, but getting a player to ride shotgun with McDavid would be an imperative need. That's like getting Nylander for 3 mill of that 9 or so they have. I keep hearing that they want Brown, so he must be figured into their plans.
30 mai 2019 à 20 h 19
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With every 5 leaf fans who have a clue there are 20 that are stupid. Just part of loving this team you have to accept. There are exactly 0.0 facts why Marner should be making 9.5 mil or more ket alone 9 honestly


I've looked at comparable players, and the minimum would be Pasternak at 6.67 mil, and the max should be 9.5 like Kucherov. I figure he is valued at 8 for next season. I really hope that the agent is starting higher than they expect in hopes at getting the best deal they can.
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30 mai 2019 à 20 h 22
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Nah, just trade him and get on with it. After the Mylander saga surely the leafs have realized there isnt alot of benefit to allowing one player to hold the organization hostage.

Marner for a stud rhd as Mos partner, plus keeping Kap and Johnsson, plus cap space, plus removing a potentially problematic ego makes alot more sense to me than Marner at 11M or more..


But again, how many teams could afford Marner at 11 mil, consider it a worthy investment and still have a stud RHD, Promising young forward and possibly a first rounder available for trade?
30 mai 2019 à 20 h 27
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Quoting: blowing_the_zone
Who could say for sure.. But if Marner ends up getting traded you can bet that a rhd is the targetted return.

There's been some recent discussion atound here on the merrits of a Marner for Dumba and Greenway.. with some saying Miny would need to add a 2nd and others saying that it would be Marner for Dumba straight up..

personally, I could see a whole lot of reasons on why a Marner for Dumba and Greenway trade would be a win for the leafs.


Dumba at 6 mil could work...
30 mai 2019 à 20 h 28
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Quoting: Gnarfflinger
But again, how many teams could afford Marner at 11 mil, consider it a worthy investment and still have a stud RHD, Promising young forward and possibly a first rounder available for trade?


I answered that same question 6 posts up..
30 mai 2019 à 21 h 39
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Quoting: Gnarfflinger
I've looked at comparable players, and the minimum would be Pasternak at 6.67 mil, and the max should be 9.5 like Kucherov. I figure he is valued at 8 for next season. I really hope that the agent is starting higher than they expect in hopes at getting the best deal they can.


I think he has the argument for 9.5 if he signs for 8 years. But there are 10 other wingers better than him in the league right now or more
31 mai 2019 à 7 h 41
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I think he has the argument for 9.5 if he signs for 8 years. But there are 10 other wingers better than him in the league right now or more


Then again, I don't think he'd accept 9.5 for 8 years...
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31 mai 2019 à 9 h 8
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Then again, I don't think he'd accept 9.5 for 8 years...


I don't either so I hope hes traded
 
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