Sabres with an easy no.

Same with Leafs.

That's an interesting trade with Edmonton. Trading Nuge probably would signal a rebuild, and I don't think Edmonton wants to go down that road at this point.

They are rebuilding since 2009, they need to start contending for playoffs and taking necessary steps to win.

Big fan of Frost though, Frost and a 1st for nuge seems steep.

Price is good.

Solid argument, okay you've convinced me.

Really?

Nuge would instantly be PHI's 2C. Value for 2nd line Centre is very high. Teams have paid a hefty price in the last 3 years for fast, skilled centremen in their prime. Nuge JUST turned 26, has two years left at a good cap hit. Plays a very good 200 ft game. Very effective on special teams.

I really like Frost (i mean it, I REALLY like him), but common guys!!!!! Swapping a player that has no track level at the Pro's (hasn't even played a single game in the ahl, we have no idea if his game translates to the Pro's) with a 1st round pick (albeit high) for a tried and true 2C on a fair contract with term and a 2nd is NOTHING CLOSE to an over payment.

If anything, historical trades in the last 3 years for 2C's dictate more has to come from PHI.

Right. But is trading their 2C for futures the path to winning now?

Their 2C should be Draisaitl not RNH. Basically Frost as Draisaitls setup man should be great.

Philly will keep Frost and the pick.

Fair point, my concern with Nuge is that he's more of a 2b center making 6 mill. He's not very good at faceoffs and point totals are on pace for 45-55 points when he's not playing with McDavid and makes him a circumstantial point producer. Is he a 2nd line center on a contending team? I don't believe so.

Now, if Frost is a bust then I'd look foolish. But if Nuge is a 45-55 point guy making 6 mill and you have Patrick who will eventually take that role, it may be a contract you'll be looking to get off your hands soon. I just think that there would be better options with the package your proposing to give up than Nuge.

The Leafs would be happy to give you Kadri for that package if you'd be willing to give it up. Better FO% and Corsi stats with more dzone starts than nuge at 4.5mill. Just comparing the two.

I don't see Frost as an immediate upgrade on Nugent-Hopkins though. If things break right he'll be there in 2-3 years, but that doesn't fit the time-frame we were discussing.

And you've taken away McDavid's best winger to play 2C, that only works if you can get great players for 1RW and 1LW now.

Trade for Brown. He is perfect winger for McDavid and Im being massively serious. Has speed, has defensive capabilities and showed he can score. Perfect player for McDavid. Like Dupuis was for Crosby.

Meh, not a Brown fan at all. I think he'll have a career as a 3rd liner. Which is fine, just not something we need more of. If I was to trade for a player to play with McDavid it would be Burakovsky.

My thought behind this trade was - Nuge slides right into the 2C role allowing Patrick to play 3C while receiving more favorable matchups. Frost has been an incredible talent at the junior level but you never know if that translates to the professional level. My big concern with Frost is reading reports about how his game lacks pace at times. The Flyers want players that will provide immediate returns and RNH is definitely a player that can provide that. Plus the Flyers still have extreme depth at forward in their prospect pool. This year's first I threw in with Frost helps rationalize the risk EDM would have to take by trading a bonafide NHL talent for an unproven, albeit, highly touted prospect.

jwtemple3 made this AGM, not me.
I was just commenting that Frost for Nuge was not necessarily a clear cut overpayment on PHI's side.
Is PHI considered a contender?
By looking at their depth charts, Nuge would easily slot in 2C for them. That would mean more TOI, which would boost his production.
Although your point is fair, if Nuge is a 3C, $6M AAV is an overpayment. But Nuge is not a 3C. If he isn't in his primary role of Centre, he plays on the wings (in other words, always lays top 6 minutes. Also, since he does always play top 6 minutes, he is matched up with other teams elite lines. No offense, but you cannot compare Kadri and Nuge as they are apples and oranges. In todays NHL, the Centre position is pivotal, and MUST be fast. If your 1C + 2C don't have speed, they are relegated to 3C and 4C. Nuge brings that. Kadri does not.
Nuge has always had sub par linemates as well. Can't only look at the +/- and ppg's as they are very deceiving.
Trust me, you send Nuge to any "non-contender team", and he is their 2C and will produce and perform and measure up to expectations.

Brown scored 20 goals as 3rd liner in his first season in pros. He has scoring touch and can be that winger for McDavid. Dupuis is also career 3rd liner as is Brown. But he is perfect for that role with McDavid imo

Couldn't agree more. This deal makes no sense for the Oilers as Frost is 2-3 years away, and the Oil need help now.

I'll say it again, I was simply touching on the statement that Frost and a 1st is an overpayment for Nuge. Which I disagree with.

Nope.

In 2016-17 Brown spent 41% of his TOI with Kadri, 40% with Matthews and 9% with Bozak. That's 81% of his 5v5 TOI on either line 1 or 2.

He also spent the first half of the season on the 1st PP unit, but was dropped altogether when he scored just 2 goals with the man advantage in over 100 minutes.