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Forum: Armchair-GM27 sept. 2019 à 14 h 20
Sujet: My Opening Night Roster
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Claesson4Norris</b></div><div>My big concern about waiting to trade Tierney until the TDL is that he will almost certainly see a dip in production playing on the 4th line, and that could hurt his trade value.

Pageau I would consider keeping if he was willing to take like 1.5mil to be a 4th line vet, but if he wants more than 2mil, I can't see it making sense with all the centres coming through in the next couple years.</div></div>

Completely agree. If they play Tierney as 4C, his value WILL go down. The season is long though, he may grow on the coach and move up the lineup. But from what I've seen from DJ, he's most likely to favour Pageau.
Speaking of Pageau, I'm torn on this one. I don't see any rational hockey player taking a huge pay cut "for the team". Pageau is UFA at the end of this season, and I don't think there is a chance that he'd leave money on the table for a rebuilding franchise that is going to offer him 3C or 4C role and respective $. He is 26 and will want to test free agency waters. No sane professional athlete would forgo a raise for a demotion and pay cut.
That is why I think the Sens should keep Tierney (as he is an RFA) and trade Pageau.
If there are ANY injuries to the C role this year, or even next year, you'll be happy to have Tierney kicking around. Gives you time to round out L Brown's game. Anisimov is slightly more effective at the wing versus C anyway just because of how the game is developing (speed+skill), and since he is getting older and slower... I see him being switched to the wing in the near future.
Forum: NHL Trades5 sept. 2019 à 18 h 15
Sujet: (OTT/TOR) - Ceci, Harpur, Luchuk and 2020 3rd round pick for Zaitsev, Brown, Carcone
I still can't believe this trade actually took place. I still can't believe the Sens took Zaitsev's contract AND gave a 3rd round pick as well in this trade. You CANNOT be giving Get Out of Jail free cards to divisional rivals like this! WTF!!!
If I'm ANY other GM in the league, and the Leaf's GM is calling asking for you to take Zaitsev's FIVE MORE YEARS @ 4.5M caphit!!!! I'm hanging up the phone unless its VERY enticing.
Don't get me wrong. Carcone is a great AHL'er, and will really help Belleville. Independently would maybe be worth a 5th or 6th round pick.
Brown is a decent middle six forward whom the Sens can flip at the TDL for 2nd or 3rd.
Zaitsev is a <strong>major </strong> negative asset, and if it cost the Leafs a 1st round pick for one year of Marleau at 6.5 Mil, then you'd imagine the ask for FIVE years @ 4.5Mil would be a 1st, a bluechip prospect and maybe a serviceable roster player.
Forum: NHL Signings20 juin 2019 à 15 h 39
Sujet: Vancouver Canucks signed Alexander Edler (2 Years / $6,000,000 AAV)
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>EmperorFun</b></div><div>It's more the wheeling and dealing to keep key players that more GMs were worried about. Look back at the Vegas one and the trades that went down by some of the teams.</div></div>

This.

It amazes me how completely aloof some people are to the costs of not having an eye on the Expansion Draft when signing contracts in the 2 years heading up to an expansion draft.
Especially after having witnessed all the moves and picks that Vegas stole during their expansion.

If you put yourself in a situation where a potentially key young player must be left exposed due to handing out too many NMC's... its gonna cost you one way or another.

Why not be a proactive GM and look and plan ahead of time?

ORRRRR just keep being aloof and stick your head in the sand singing the soundtrack of LaLaLand and laugh at everyone talking about the Expansion Draft.
Forum: Armchair-GM18 juin 2019 à 18 h 32
Sujet: Trading Up at the Draft with Edmonton
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>CD282</b></div><div>You just proved my point.

If you followed the Sens closely you'd know that Batherson hasn't played center in either Belleville or Ottawa, and the fact that you cited sources that also don't know this proves you need better sources.

Batherson isn't a center. Plenty of guys play center in junior but have to shift to winger in order to make it in pro hockey. And to counter your point about having a rookie center his own line in pro hockey, you obviously didn't know that Batherson's center in Belleville was rookie Logan Brown.</div></div>

LOL. You're knit picking. So I miss wrote when I said "Batherson played both position his whole life", i meant before he turned pro. LOL.
Yes, I know he hasn't played Centre at the ahl or nhl, that is why I said my comment about starting a skinny lanky kid as a centre. (which Brown is not by the way, 6.6, 220 pnds)
You using Brown as point of contradicting my statement is also wrong. You can't compare the two.
1) Pick pedigree:
<strong>Brown</strong> was a first round pick, esteemed to be a top (A grade prospect), so much so that the Sens traded up for him and gave up a 3rd round JUST to move up ONE spot. LOL.
If YOU had followed Brown's development throughout the last years, you'd realize its been extremely rocky. Sent back to the minors two years in the row after being drafted. Was deemed a HUGE disapointment and the top brass was ready to give up on him and not resign him after his ELC if he didnt show any progress this year. Only in his third year (post draft) has he made sufficient development where the organization finally tasked him with the role that they hoped he'd fill when they drafted him.
<strong>Batherson</strong> was a 4th round, overager that was considered a project.
2) Size: Batherson had the height but was skinny/lanky and was clearly drafted knowing he had some filling out to do before he could even be considered to play in the ahl.
Brown was a monster from the get go, at 6.6 since draft day and over 200 pounds (he is now 220-230). This drastically affects the way you (the coach and mgmt) feel comfortable playing him Centre as you know he isn't going to get manhandled and injured.
3) Stages of development. Brown has one year of development over Batherson. They may have the same age, but were drafted a year apart, and Brown has been to 3 training camps which provided him with much more access to additional coaching, resources and feedback for his development.
But to be honest, I don't even know why I'm allowing myself to be baited here. This is pointless. Brown is not even a comparable player to Batherson. Apples to orange.

On a different note: I'm a big fan of Troy Mann and how he's coached and helped develop the kids in Bellevile.
Forum: Armchair-GM18 juin 2019 à 17 h 32
Sujet: Trading Up at the Draft with Edmonton
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>CD282</b></div><div> Two things: (1) you clearly don't follow the Sens as closely as you claim to</div></div>

Not that I care if you believe me or not as you're entitled to your opinion and seem to have taken offense to what I felt was a civil and simple hockey debate and make it personal.
...
But care to explain why you think I don't watch or "follow closely" the Sens.

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>CD282</b></div><div> (2) you need more reliable sources. Drake Batherson is a winger.</div></div>
First, I don't have any sources. Have never claimed to have sources. I LOVE watching Junior hockey (WHL, OHL, the Q, U18's, etc) and really enjoy following prospects. I base my opinions on my own observations that I've observed through me own eyes.
I never claimed to know or have any access to any special information from the inside.

I really don't care why you label him as solely a winger.

But fine... I'll bite: Drake Batherson has played both centre and RW his whole life, and can play both Centre and RW seamlessly.
His Elite Propsect page confirms this: <a href="https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/195192/drake-batherson" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/195192/drake-batherson</a>
So does his Dobber Page: <a href="https://dobberprospects.com/player/drake-batherson/" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">https://dobberprospects.com/player/drake-batherson/</a>
So does his capfriendly page: <a href="https://www.capfriendly.com/players/drake-batherson">https://www.capfriendly.com/players/drake-batherson</a>

Furthermore, its not rocket science that you don't put a rookie prospect centering his own line when bringing them into pro level (nhl or ahl). You first break them in by allowing them to get used to the speed and strength of players at the pro level by giving them top 6 minutes (when they are A level prospects) on the wings. Then, when they've acclimatized to the league and developed and grew into their lanky frames, you reassess them and see if they can take on the very important role/responsibility (especially in todays nhl) to Centre his own line.

As of right now, and this is MY OWN ASSESSMENT, I see him as having top six Centre ceiling, with a floor of middle to top six winger. That is my own opinion I've based on watching him closely throughout the years. If you disagree with this, that is fine.

Furthermore, the Sens have used the SAME development approach on Colin White, primarily given RW minutes as he's progressed in his development, and late this year was given his own line and may be given his own line in top six right from the start of next season (2019-20).
Forum: Armchair-GM18 juin 2019 à 11 h 35
Sujet: Sens
WPG TRADE: Although I really like the idea of Perreault coming to the Sens (as he is a poor man's Mark Stone), I don't see this trade happening for mltiple reasons.
I don't think WPG will be interested in Anderson (unless its at the trade deadline and they had injuries and need a backup where the other team is retaining 50% salary).
With Trouba gone, there is less cap pressure, and as much as Ehlers had a very disappointing season last year, he IS still young, time to rebound, AND on a team friendly contract. It would be unwise to offload him for the package they are receiving here as they could ship him elsewhere for a greater return (see Oilers).
That being said, with Trouba gone, they could be in the market for a 2nd pairing RD. Which may open the door for them being interested in Ceci. But his QO is going to be around 4.3 mil and likely still too much for the Jets (considering they still have to sign their RFA's).

TOR TRADE: Don't think Toronto will move Horton as his contract is insured and on LTIR (doesn't affect the cap). Marleau on the other hand, would be a prime candidate to move. But he would have to agree to it which won't happen unless its to go back to California.

EDM TRADE: The current value of Puljujarvi is not that high. The value EDM is receiving here is too great. It may be the Oilers asking price... but they are trading in a position of weakness (JP allegedly wanting out of EDM) therefor will not get this much. Perhaps a more plausible trade would be adding Manning (win win, oilers offload 2 mil in cap space, Sens get 2 mil closer to cap floor), and then replace the 2nd with a 4th or 5th and it may be more reasonable.

VEGAS TRADE: As per the Toronto explanation, Vegas has no incentive to get rid of Clarkson. His contract is also insured and on LTIR, therefore doesn't count against the cap. That being said, Vegas IS shopping Colin Miller, Reaves and Eakins to free up capspace. I'd look at those three as candidates to ship to the Sens.
Forum: Armchair-GM18 juin 2019 à 11 h 20
Sujet: Trading Up at the Draft with Edmonton
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>sammy_daws1997</b></div><div>Batherson is exactly who I was thinking actually</div></div>

You're never going to get Batherson. You are not assessing players correctly if you are asking for Batherson as incentive for moving up in the draft (specially for the Sens) as Batherson is the Sens equivalent of Bouchard.
The oilers may trade one of their esteemed LD. But due to their lack of depth at RD as well as the sheer promise that Bouchard represents, he aint going nowhere. The same could be said about Batherson.
Also, why would you want another centreman. The Oil need a good 3C. That is not going to be a rookie/prospect. That slot will be filled by a more veteran player (due to the tougher zone and faceoff assignments). The oil need promising speedy wingers. Formenton IS that. Abramov would be another perfect candidate (but I feel he is too much like Yamamoto and wouldn't be recommended).

That being said, as mentioned earlier, Sens are bursting at the seams with Centre's and if you are seeking a C (which I don't understand since you've already got 97, 29 and 93), you'd have better luck grabbing another one of their centre prospect, such as Norris.
Forum: Armchair-GM17 juin 2019 à 16 h 32
Sujet: Trading Up at the Draft with Edmonton
If you're <div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>CD282</b></div><div>Formenton reminds me of Ryan McLeod somewhat - would you think they're on a similar level?</div></div>

Yes. Both have middle six upside. Both have wheels.
But both play very different games too. Formenton is a prototypical speedy sniper winger. While Mcleod plays a much better two-way game and will be a good 3C right out of the box with potential for 2C.

Good reads:
<a href="https://dobberprospects.com/player/alex-formenton/" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">https://dobberprospects.com/player/alex-formenton/</a>
<a href="https://dobberprospects.com/player/ryan-mcleod/" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">https://dobberprospects.com/player/ryan-mcleod/</a>
Forum: Armchair-GM17 juin 2019 à 16 h 18
Sujet: Trading Up at the Draft with Edmonton
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>CD282</b></div><div>Batherson produced in the AHL at about the same pace as Tyler Benson, so that's the Oilers comparable, not an A+ prospect but a guy that projects as a middle-6 forward who ins NHL ready. Formenton reminds me of Ryan McLeod somewhat - would you think they're on a similar level?</div></div>

Although I understand your comparison between Benson and Batherson, I must respectfully disagree.
You are comparing both players in a vacuum (last year production) in one league. Benson played all his games in one league (didn't get yoyo'd up and down various teams on various lines with various teammates). Benson played with a much better team (teammates). More importantly, the Condors had an excellent D squad which enabled Benson to play more aggressive and offensively. The B-Sens had a BRUTAL defense last year and were often struck by injuries to key players.
I really like Benson and agree, he will be an efficient middle six player in the future.
But his skill and hockey sense are not at the same level, which are the primary tools used to evaluate ceiling potentials. In other words, Batherson has 1st line ceiling, Benson does not.
Forum: Armchair-GM17 juin 2019 à 16 h 2
Sujet: Trading Up at the Draft with Edmonton
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>CD282</b></div><div>
In your opinion, would Ottawa trade 19 + 32 + Batherson for 8? Should Edmonton accept such an offer?</div></div>

No. Batherson is on their untoucheable list. Watch him play. He wasn't drafted very high, nor did he have big numbers in the Q. But he is a great prospect. His play translates very well to the pro level. He dominated the AHL (62 points in 59 games), then played 20 games in the NHL on a TERRIBLE team and had a PPG stat of close to .50. Which is 3rd line production as a first year pro.
He is a very good prospect and OTT will NOT be looking to get rid of him.
To be honest, and I don't want this to happen, but replace Batherson with Formenton and I think that is a much more realistic trade. Formenton has wheels. Insane wheels. Its his greatest attribute. Very skilled as well but just needs his hands to follow his feet (meaning producing at high speed). He needs another year in the AHL to maybe translate his game to the pro level/speed.
Watching the Oilers and Sens ALOT, I keep thinking, MAN, if Formenton was on McD's wing. WOWZERSS!!

Also, if the Sens are trading up, it won't be their 32nd pick.
Itll be their 19th overall + Florida 2nd (44th overall) + prospect
Forum: Armchair-GM17 juin 2019 à 15 h 51
Sujet: Oilers changes 1
Sekera might be a good trade target for the Sens as they could use a mentor for their young kids, and desperately need some high caphit contracts to hit the floor this year.
But the Sens also have WAY too many goalies in the pipeline and in their system which means they will NOT be adding any more goalies.
Oilers could really use a good 3C. Sens have a plethora of them.
Tierney and Pageau (one of them) will be available as Sens have too many players (Batherson, Brown, Chlapik, Norris, Tierney, Pageau, Smith) vying for 2C-3C position.
Tierney is more offensively minded/younger/on a good contract. But Pageau is a faceoff king, is very effective on special teams, and can fully fulfill every portion of the 3C role. (faceoff starts in defensive zone, really responsible and smart in his zone, etc etc).
I would propose you package Sekera, Manning and Puljijarvi (from EDM)
To
From Sens: Pageau, Harpur, Boedker (@50% retained)

Or probably an easier trade would just be Sekera and a 3rd rounder for Pageau and Harpur