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Équipe: 2018-19 Blues de St-Louis
Date de création initiale: 31 janv. 2019
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The McDavid trade would have to be at the draft after all the other trades have already taken place.
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STL
  1. Hague, Nicolas
  2. Choix de 2e ronde en 2020 (PIT)
VGK
  1. Gunnarsson, Carl
  2. Steen, Alexander
  3. Choix de 3e ronde en 2019 (STL)
Détails additionnels:
Blues retain $2 million
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STL
  1. Gauthier, Julien
  2. Pesce, Brett
  3. Choix de 1e ronde en 2019 (CAR)
  4. Choix de 2e ronde en 2020 (CAR)
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STL
  1. Liljegren, Timothy
  2. Choix de 1e ronde en 2020 (TOR)
  3. Choix de 2e ronde en 2020 (TOR)
TOR
  1. Pietrangelo, Alex
Détails additionnels:
Blues retain $2 million for the 2nd round pick
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  1. Stanley, Logan
  2. Choix de 1e ronde en 2019 (WPG)
WPG
  1. Schenn, Brayden
  2. Choix de 2e ronde en 2020 (PIT)
Détails additionnels:
Blues retain $1 million
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  1. Greenway, Jordan
  2. Kunin, Luke
  3. Choix de 1e ronde en 2020 (MIN)
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STL
  1. Backes, David
  2. Senyshyn, Zach
  3. Choix de 1e ronde en 2020 (BOS)
Détails additionnels:
Blues take on Backes' full contract.
BOS
  1. Blais, Samuel
  2. Edmundson, Joel
  3. Walman, Jake
Détails additionnels:
Edmunson is the perfect compliment to McAvoy. Walman is a young offensive defenseman that can run a powerplay and replace Chara's spot in the lineup. He also offers insurance in the event Boston wants to move Krug. Blais is the young, fast RW to assist the middle 9.
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  1. Choix de 4e ronde en 2019 (BUF)
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  1. Wood, Kyle
  2. Choix de 4e ronde en 2021 (SJS)
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  1. Nielsen, Andrew
  2. Choix de 4e ronde en 2020 (CGY)
CGY
  1. Bozak, Tyler
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Blues retain $2 million. Flames acquire the bottom nine center they need for playoff depth.
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EDM
  1. Allen, Jake
  2. Thomas, Robert
  3. Choix de 1e ronde en 2019 (CAR)
  4. Choix de 1e ronde en 2019 (WPG)
  5. Choix de 1e ronde en 2020 (TOR)
  6. Choix de 1e ronde en 2020 (MIN)
  7. Choix de 2e ronde en 2020 (TOR)
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31 janv. 2019 à 23 h 19
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You had me until Jake Allen....
31 janv. 2019 à 23 h 22
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That's a no from MN. We need our young forwards way more than we need another RHD, even if Parayko is a great defenseman. We'll be trading Zucker, Granlund, Staal, and Coyle before we even think about moving Kunin and Greenway.
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31 janv. 2019 à 23 h 27
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You had me until Jake Allen....


It's a bad goalie for bad goalie dump/trade. Talbot is pretty much done. Allen, while not very good this year (unless you look at his last 6 weeks, which have been moderately decent), is still young, athletic, and perhaps can be turned into something of value. The money is basically a wash, and I threw in the additional 2nd round pick to make the swap a little more enticing. The Oil gets our best center prospect who will be no worse than a second line center with legit top line upside and four first round picks. Since the Oil needs just about everything, six first round picks (when you count both of theirs) and three second round picks (including theirs) will go a long way to rebuilding this disaster franchise and do it pretty quickly. I totally get you though with the "lost me at Allen comment." Look at the big picture though.
31 janv. 2019 à 23 h 27
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That's a no from MN. We need our young forwards way more than we need another RHD, even if Parayko is a great defenseman. We'll be trading Zucker, Granlund, Staal, and Coyle before we even think about moving Kunin and Greenway.


I don't disagree with you totally, but passing on Colt55 is a tough decision.
31 janv. 2019 à 23 h 47
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Quoting: rja40
I don't disagree with you totally, but passing on Colt55 is a tough decision.



it’s Hard no for Minnesota we already have Dumba Spurgeon (Most likely Traded) Belpedio coming up soon then
Simon Johansson(Prospect) , Filip Johansson( Prospect) Gustav Bouramman(Prospect), Hunter Warner(Prospect) Minnesota has a bunch of great Right handed defenseman yes passing on Colt55 but we’re Trading awaying 2 of our best Prospects Minnesota is one of the oldest teams in the league next to LA so I don’t think we would be willing to trade our Youth
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31 janv. 2019 à 23 h 53
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Must be a Canadian, smoking a little too much legal weed buddy?
31 janv. 2019 à 23 h 56
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I don't disagree with you totally, but passing on Colt55 is a tough decision.


Our defense is extremely solid, our biggest issue is scoring goals and the fact our core is pretty old. Greenway has flashed his insane powerforward ability that has our coach and FO salivating, he's a huge part of our future in the goal scoring department. Kunin's shot was extremely good in college and while that hasn't entirely translated in the NHL yet, he only has 40 NHL games under his belt. That's two young players that fill our biggest need along with a pick that also will fill that need down the road for a player that plays by far our deepest position. I like Parayko a lot, don't get me wrong, we just need the pieces you traded away much more than we need Parayko.
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1 févr. 2019 à 0 h 4
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Our defense is extremely solid, our biggest issue is scoring goals and the fact our core is pretty old. Greenway has flashed his insane powerforward ability that has our coach and FO salivating, he's a huge part of our future in the goal scoring department. Kunin's shot was extremely good in college and while that hasn't entirely translated in the NHL yet, he only has 40 NHL games under his belt. That's two young players that fill our biggest need along with a pick that also will fill that need down the road for a player that plays by far our deepest position. I like Parayko a lot, don't get me wrong, we just need the pieces you traded away much more than we need Parayko.


I get it. I wanted a big bang for the Parayko buck. There are 30 other teams that would take the big stud. No hard feelings.
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Our defense is extremely solid, our biggest issue is scoring goals and the fact our core is pretty old. Greenway has flashed his insane powerforward ability that has our coach and FO salivating, he's a huge part of our future in the goal scoring department. Kunin's shot was extremely good in college and while that hasn't entirely translated in the NHL yet, he only has 40 NHL games under his belt. That's two young players that fill our biggest need along with a pick that also will fill that need down the road for a player that plays by far our deepest position. I like Parayko a lot, don't get me wrong, we just need the pieces you traded away much more than we need Parayko.


Greenway not only has the coach and FO salivating, he has this STL fan salivating too, which is why I offered our best piece for him. I understand Minny has bigger needs. Someone will offer a boatload for him.
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Must be a Canadian, smoking a little too much legal weed buddy?


Nope. Born and bred St. Louisan. Also proud to say I've never done an illegal (or now legal in Canada) drug in 45 years of life and counting. Hockey is my drug of choice!
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That's a no from MN. We need our young forwards way more than we need another RHD, even if Parayko is a great defenseman. We'll be trading Zucker, Granlund, Staal, and Coyle before we even think about moving Kunin and Greenway.


Why are Minnesota fans the only ones replying? I knew it was a tough one, but based on the lack of responses, I guess all other trades seem doable???
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As per ordered by Gary Bettman McDavid only gets traded to NYR. That's his wet dream.

Correction: McDavid goes to Seattle, just like Bettman's refs helped the expansion Knights get to the Cup, he'll force an instant superstar to go to Seattle, to prove his American dream is a success.
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As per ordered by Gary Bettman McDavid only gets traded to NYR. That's his wet dream.

Correction: McDavid goes to Seattle, just like Bettman's refs helped the expansion Knights get to the Cup, he'll force an instant superstar to go to Seattle, to prove his American dream is a success.


I hope not, but Bettman is that kind of idiot, so who knows.
1 févr. 2019 à 0 h 39
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I get it. I wanted a big bang for the Parayko buck. There are 30 other teams that would take the big stud. No hard feelings.


No hard feelings here either smile I didn't mean to come off as a jackass but I could see how my comment could be interpreted that way. Hard to portray tone over the internet.

I have to ask, why even trade Parayko? He's a great top 4 defenseman that can handle playing on the top pairing, he's still relatively young, and he's signed to a good cap hit for a few more years. Pietrangelo would be the piece I'd consider moving if I were the Blues GM.
1 févr. 2019 à 0 h 43
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I don't care how much you give up, you aren't getting McDavid.
1 févr. 2019 à 0 h 50
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Why are Minnesota fans the only ones replying? I knew it was a tough one, but based on the lack of responses, I guess all other trades seem doable???


Most of them aren't too bad IMO.

VGK probably doesn't make that trade since Hague looks like a solid prospect and they don't have any need for Steen.

Make that 1st top 10 protected and I think the Canes would take it. It's a lot to give up but Tarasenko would be a huge addition for Carolina.

You'll have to take on some cap from Toronto to trade them Pietrangelo. I'd guess someone like Zaitsev would have to be a part of the package.

Same story for the Jets, you'll probably have to take Perreault coming back. Maybe get rid of the 2nd going to them and add Perreault and it's pretty fair IMO. I like this trade a lot for the Jets actually, Schenn would be huge for their center depth.

Seems like you just want the 1st out of this BOS deal, not much else to comment on.

Can't comment too much on the CGY, PIT, and SJS trades since I'm not familiar with the value. Seems like a lot of depth moves for later picks which is fairly common around the deadline. From the value I do know these look pretty ballpark.

EDM trade is pretty ridiculous. Realistically (there honestly is no realistic McDavid trade), it will probably cost Parayko + Tarasenko + a great prospect like Kyrou + your 1st round pick + possibly more. I don't see McDavid ever being moved since he's the perfect piece to build a team around.
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Blues have NOTHING 2 offer 4 McJesus!!
1 févr. 2019 à 7 h 50
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Most of them aren't too bad IMO.

VGK probably doesn't make that trade since Hague looks like a solid prospect and they don't have any need for Steen.

Make that 1st top 10 protected and I think the Canes would take it. It's a lot to give up but Tarasenko would be a huge addition for Carolina.

You'll have to take on some cap from Toronto to trade them Pietrangelo. I'd guess someone like Zaitsev would have to be a part of the package.

Same story for the Jets, you'll probably have to take Perreault coming back. Maybe get rid of the 2nd going to them and add Perreault and it's pretty fair IMO. I like this trade a lot for the Jets actually, Schenn would be huge for their center depth.

Seems like you just want the 1st out of this BOS deal, not much else to comment on.

Can't comment too much on the CGY, PIT, and SJS trades since I'm not familiar with the value. Seems like a lot of depth moves for later picks which is fairly common around the deadline. From the value I do know these look pretty ballpark.

EDM trade is pretty ridiculous. Realistically (there honestly is no realistic McDavid trade), it will probably cost Parayko + Tarasenko + a great prospect like Kyrou + your 1st round pick + possibly more. I don't see McDavid ever being moved since he's the perfect piece to build a team around.


It wouldn't cost Parayko+Tarasenko+1st+Kyrou. He's not Gretzky. But it would cost Schwartz+Thomas+multiple 1sts to acquire him. I don't see that happening.
1 févr. 2019 à 7 h 58
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I like the Vegas trade. Not sure Vegas wants to add Gunnarzon, but maybe Steen (2 mil retained)+Walman+ 3rd gets Hague and 3rd (possibly 2nd).

The thing i really don't like about this whole scenario though is the fact you're dismantling a team almost completely to bring one guy. In that scenario, how this any better of a situation than what McDavid is currently in? He's obviously not going to get moved until maybe he reaches 25-26 years of age, but even then he'll want to be in a contender. Blues will end up the same as Edmonton in this case. Think of it like this,right now Mcdavid has one winger (Draisaitl) who can play with him and a decent center behind him. If this scenario happened, he'd have one good established winger (Schwartz < Draistaitl) and a prospect (Kyrou> Puljujarvi) and a good center behind him (O'Reilly just > than RNH) and nothing else really. Doesn't help the Blues or Edmonton
1 févr. 2019 à 9 h 22
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Carolina trade includes Necas or nothing. Moving Parayko makes no sense. Boston trade to take back just an awful contract and a meh prospect? Not sure why the Blues do that. Most of these are somewhat puzzling.
1 févr. 2019 à 12 h 1
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It wouldn't cost Parayko+Tarasenko+1st+Kyrou. He's not Gretzky. But it would cost Schwartz+Thomas+multiple 1sts to acquire him. I don't see that happening.


As I said theres no realistic return for him. I think the ask for him would be absurd, so my "proposal" reflected that. McDavid is one of the best players in the NHL and probably will be for the entirety of his career. If any team wants him they will be giving up a large overpayment.
1 févr. 2019 à 18 h 48
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No hard feelings here either smile I didn't mean to come off as a jackass but I could see how my comment could be interpreted that way. Hard to portray tone over the internet.

I have to ask, why even trade Parayko? He's a great top 4 defenseman that can handle playing on the top pairing, he's still relatively young, and he's signed to a good cap hit for a few more years. Pietrangelo would be the piece I'd consider moving if I were the Blues GM.


That's a great question, and I agree that Petro is the right piece to move. I also believe he probably will be unless the Blues just totally blow up their opponents in the next few weeks. The reason I traded him (and many others) in this hypothetical trade scenario is so that the Blues could acquire a lot of first rounders in order to land McDavid. I admit, it would be a far, far stretch to get all of these deals done, but that's what this site is all about...wishful thinking.
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1 févr. 2019 à 18 h 51
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Most of them aren't too bad IMO.

VGK probably doesn't make that trade since Hague looks like a solid prospect and they don't have any need for Steen.

Make that 1st top 10 protected and I think the Canes would take it. It's a lot to give up but Tarasenko would be a huge addition for Carolina.

You'll have to take on some cap from Toronto to trade them Pietrangelo. I'd guess someone like Zaitsev would have to be a part of the package.

Same story for the Jets, you'll probably have to take Perreault coming back. Maybe get rid of the 2nd going to them and add Perreault and it's pretty fair IMO. I like this trade a lot for the Jets actually, Schenn would be huge for their center depth.

Seems like you just want the 1st out of this BOS deal, not much else to comment on.

Can't comment too much on the CGY, PIT, and SJS trades since I'm not familiar with the value. Seems like a lot of depth moves for later picks which is fairly common around the deadline. From the value I do know these look pretty ballpark.

EDM trade is pretty ridiculous. Realistically (there honestly is no realistic McDavid trade), it will probably cost Parayko + Tarasenko + a great prospect like Kyrou + your 1st round pick + possibly more. I don't see McDavid ever being moved since he's the perfect piece to build a team around.


I totally agree...McDavid is the perfect piece, which is why this Blues fan tried his darndest to move just about everyone to attain him!
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1 févr. 2019 à 18 h 52
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It wouldn't cost Parayko+Tarasenko+1st+Kyrou. He's not Gretzky. But it would cost Schwartz+Thomas+multiple 1sts to acquire him. I don't see that happening.


If that was the real cost, I pay in a heartbeat.
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I like the Vegas trade. Not sure Vegas wants to add Gunnarzon, but maybe Steen (2 mil retained)+Walman+ 3rd gets Hague and 3rd (possibly 2nd).

The thing i really don't like about this whole scenario though is the fact you're dismantling a team almost completely to bring one guy. In that scenario, how this any better of a situation than what McDavid is currently in? He's obviously not going to get moved until maybe he reaches 25-26 years of age, but even then he'll want to be in a contender. Blues will end up the same as Edmonton in this case. Think of it like this,right now Mcdavid has one winger (Draisaitl) who can play with him and a decent center behind him. If this scenario happened, he'd have one good established winger (Schwartz < Draistaitl) and a prospect (Kyrou> Puljujarvi) and a good center behind him (O'Reilly just > than RNH) and nothing else really. Doesn't help the Blues or Edmonton


You bring up a solid point, but I would counter that with a few things...Number one, while the dropoff from McD and ROR at center would be measurable, Barbashev is just now beginning to show the promise that made him a second round pick. He'll never be more than a middle 9 guy, but that's what his role is on this team. Plus, he's only 22 and still has room to grow. Add to that, look at the two studs on his hypothetical line. You and I could put up some points with those two guys flanking us.

Also, I disagree that the rebuilt team (which is exactly what it is as you stated) is a similar team to Edmonton's current team. While I agree that Draisaitl is better than Schwartz and Kyou is better than Pulli, the rest of the depth is young, promising guys who fit with the type of team I desired. If you so desire, look at what I have. Most of my forwards are moderately sizeable guys with speed and playmaking/scoring ability (save Fabbri). My defense was created to be a group of trees with long wingspans and some grit. I'm not sure current Edmonton has that makeup. Admittedly, there are some guys who fit that bill, but not entirely, which is what I sought.

Lastly, your first statement is absolutely true, which is why I entitled the post as I did. blew up the entire Blues roster to acquire youth and ultimately Connor McDavid. Everyone wants that guy, including me.
 
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