huge overpayment. kessel and tarasenko are basically the same player, except vessel is a better passer

Imo, Pitt roles with DeSmith, saving a ton of money (I still think Murray is good, but his numbers are down), Brassard is in need of a change of scenery, Maatta is a good young d, and ZAR is 24 and still hasn't realized his potential on Pitt, change of scenery might help him too.

As a Blues fan this is terrible. No value back at all for the Blues besides Murray I guess.

Maatta, ZAR. Brassard is a UFA at the end of the season, so if he doesnt pick up his play thats a free 3 million in cap and a second to go get some more young talent

actually, thats a ton on value imo. murray is a young solid goalie for the future, brassard is solid but he's a free agent after this season, maatta is a solid top 4 dman, ZAR is a terrific depth player who is physical and a very good defender

Desmith is riding a hot streak. He's nothing more than a backup. He isn't good enough to steal games in the playoffs like murray can do and has done

Maatta is a 2nd or 3rd pairing D man. ZAR isMAYBE a middle 6 forward. Murray is maybe a good young goalie, but he also might've peaked like Cam Ward. Brassard is a bottom 6 center who is a UFA (no need at all for the Blues if they're moving Tarasenko).



Note what I said above, but also if you're moving your best player (and a top 20 or so player in the league) you don't ask for a UFA, a bottom pairing D man on the blues (Dunn and Edmundson are both better) and a depth player.

That's just ridiculous.

Agreed, but that is still a lot of value that pittsburgh is sending away. The value is there, its just not the pieces the STL needs

Maatta is instantly the Blues top pair LHD, Dunn and Edmundson are not better

Quantity doesn't equal value. The value is not there at all for a player of Tarasenko's caliber. There isn't a single 1st rounder, top prospect or good young roster player in that trade. Especially when you look at what other teams offers would be. I just don't think there is a fit here for Blues and Pens to make the trade. Pens don't have enough to offer.

Dunn and Edmundson are better, but go ahead. Again, there isn't a fit here.

Well were going to agree to disagree. From pittsburghs perspective, they are giving up 4 starters, That is a lot of starters 1 team is giving up. Thats why I think its a bad trade for pittsburgh

You're over the cap when Schultz returns

Yeah which is why the Blues would rather get a top prospect, 1 young good player and a 1st rounder. They aren't looking for 4 fine/okay roster players.

Ya I never said it was a good trade for the Blues, I just said its bad for pittsburgh cause they are giving up a lot of pieces for tarasenko, who basically pittsburgh already has with kessel

This is crazy overpayment and not smart. I am not gonna bother explaining as it ticks me off to see this deal.

Imagine thinking Pittsburgh loses this trade

Imagine only looking at it from STL perspective. Pittsburgh is trading away 4 roster players

Ok then the trade is just a complete non-starter from both sides. Saint Louis gets nothing of substance for their star and Pitt creates holes on their roster.

Exactly. Tarasenko is a great player, but Pitt doesn’t have the pieces for him and giving up 4 roster players just creates bigger holes

Bingo

Tarasenko is worth considerably more than: Murray (now an average looking goalie with injury problems), Maatta (2nd pairing defenceman), ZAR (depth forward) and Brassard who expires this summer anyways. St. Louis doesn't give up their superstar that easily.

Yes, Imagine... Hmmm does something like I don't know Matt Murray ring a bell to you? Or are you completely forgetting his 2 Stanley Cup Runs. And now he has picked up alot in his play.

I also think we lose this deal because our defense and goaltender are now horrible. Unless you know you think that DeSmith can be a starter and JJ can be a Top 4 dman. But if you have been watching any hockey at all in your life you would see that this deal, makes our team alot weeker on the back end and goaltending.

So ya, we lost if you look at team strength. Idc how good Tarasenko is. He still can't single handedly fix the goaltending and the defense.