Montreal says yes in a heart beat

You're going to trade a quality top four defenseman for a winger that hasn't been able to make an under-performing team in the NHL by age 23 and a throw away draft pick?

The Nashville trade is a little better in the sense that a 1st round pick is coming back, but it might as well be a 2nd round pick because it will likely be 28-31 overall. However, the Kings already have a logjam at fringe-NHL defensemen, why would they want Carrier? I think they can get more in return for Carter from someone else, if only because a 1st round pick from a team like Montreal, Buffalo, or Arizona, teams that could benefit from an upgrade at 2C, would be in the 10-20 overall range.

If these are the only moves your making, then you're implying that you're not going full rebuild yet and want to try to win now with this team. These trades are essentially giving away key players for pieces that might turn into NHL-ready players in 5 or 6 years. If you're going to trade Carter and Martinez, you need to get back quality pieces that help this team win now. None of these trades do that.

1-star for the Martinez trade, 2.5-stars for the Carter trade.

Martinez is vastly overrated, mostly because of the Stanley Cup GWG. We have 3-4 defenseman on the current roster who would all be improvements. Ladue, Walker, Carrier (in this case). I do think Mccaron has underperfomed but he's still young and skilled which the Kings need much more of. I can see if you think we can get a higher pick in return but I wouldn't expect much more than that.

Also, these moves certainly do not help us win now. The point would be to tank this year, get good draft picks and replace the players we traded away with players coming up through the system next year like Vilardi, JAD, Brickley, Rempal, Walker, etc.

Martinez might be slightly overrated, but not "vastly". I don't think anyone has unrealistic expectations of what they're getting with him. He's a quality 2nd pairing defenseman. He's solid in his own end, excellent at killing penalties, and is a fair puck mover that can fill in on a 2nd power play unit. He also has a very reasonable cap hit and term with his current contract. Best of all, he brings championship experience, which is hard to come by. If LaDue, Walker, Brickley, MacDermid, or Clague were improvements over Martinez, they would be in the lineup (spoiler alert: they're not).

If McCarron and a 4th are the best they can get for Martinez, then the Kings are better off keeping him (and Blake should probably get fired for being terrible at his job).

Just read up more on Mccarron and he has definitely struggled more than I thought. However, I still think Martinez hurts the Kings more than he helps. His only asset is the powerplay. His skating is average, he constantly gets hemmed in his own zone (has a rel CF% -5%) and he certainly is a turnover machine.

How this team sits Ladue on a nightly basis is beyond me.

Fair enough, you may be right about Martinez but that applies the other way as well with McCarron and a 4th being vastly overrated also. McCarron is probably never making the NHL. He was built for pre last lockout hockey. At best he is a 4th liner who can fight, hit and maybe pot a goal every 20 games or so. The 4th is nice but nothing great so what is the incentive here?

Even if you don't think there is much value in Martinez, the rest of the league still does. So it will be up to them to pay up and find out if you are right.

Hand up, was wrong about Mccarron. But a decent prospect and a 4th is about fair for Martinez

Defensemen are more valuable than forwards (excepting top tier talent). So if the return is a prospect and a pick, then the prospect needs to be top-six capable and NHL ready (similar to Kempe). If he's bottom six or not NHL ready (similar to Amadio or Brodzinski), then the pick needs to be upgraded to a 2nd.