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Another Nylander trade to grind your gears

Créé par: TheCoontniac
Équipe: 2018-19 Hurricanes de la Caroline
Date de création initiale: 1 nov. 2018
Publié: 1 nov. 2018
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    William Nylander
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    2. McKeown, Roland
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    1 nov. 2018 à 10 h 9
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    Well at least it wasn’t Pesce.

    Can’t see the Canes doing that.
    1 nov. 2018 à 10 h 10
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    If that got offered to Toronto, I think Dubas would jump at it. Faulk is a RHD Gardiner....Little bit of depth with McKeown and some picks? I think they'd do it
    1 nov. 2018 à 10 h 22
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    Quoting: Gofnut999
    Well at least it wasn’t Pesce.

    Can’t see the Canes doing that.


    Quoting: Laynious
    If that got offered to Toronto, I think Dubas would jump at it. Faulk is a RHD Gardiner....Little bit of depth with McKeown and some picks? I think they'd do it


    Toronto declines.... easily.... not looking for another gardiner. We have plenty of offensive guys in the lineup and in the system.

    You can’t see the canes doing this????? They would love to get nylander for their spare parts.
    1 nov. 2018 à 10 h 24
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    Quoting: Jamiepo
    Toronto declines.... easily.... not looking for another gardiner. We have plenty of offensive guys in the lineup and in the system.

    You can’t see the canes doing this????? They would love to get nylander for their spare parts.


    Bahaha I knew this would set off a Leafs fan.

    "spare parts" lmao
    1 nov. 2018 à 10 h 30
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    Quoting: jslongo
    Bahaha I knew this would set off a Leafs fan.

    "spare parts" lmao


    Faulk is not going to get you Nylander! Come on. Wow, and you would pay Willie 8 million. What does that say to Aho next year? Really you should start to think about these things..
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    Quoting: Jamiepo
    Toronto declines.... easily.... not looking for another gardiner. We have plenty of offensive guys in the lineup and in the system.

    You can’t see the canes doing this????? They would love to get nylander for their spare parts.


    I don't think they would. They LOVE Gardiner and if they could get ANOTHER one.....they'd jump at it. I don't think Faulk or McKeown are spare parts. I think calling them that is an easy barb from us Leaf fans. Realistic expectations is not exactly a strong point for most Leafs fans. Not saying you are one of them but I don't think you can just dismiss a perfectly viable package because of the word "Gardiner". Also, I have yet to see an official statement saying that the Leafs view Faulk as another Gardiner and even if they did, as I said before, they LOVE Gardiner. So yeah Faulk and McKeown on top of draft picks??? I think its an easy yes for the leafs.
    1 nov. 2018 à 10 h 42
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    Quoting: Jamiepo
    Toronto declines.... easily.... not looking for another gardiner. We have plenty of offensive guys in the lineup and in the system.

    You can’t see the canes doing this????? They would love to get nylander for their spare parts.


    Look at it this way. Pu and the picks was the Skinner return, which was a bit light, but that’s another argument.

    Does Nylander = Skinner/Faulk/McKeown? If your a Leafs fan...yes. Most everyone else...iffy. But in all honesty i could see the Canes taking it, if nothing else it means they got something for Skinner.

    What do you put Nylanders value at strictly in draft picks? What about Faulk in terms of draft picks?
    1 nov. 2018 à 12 h 30
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    Faulk is not going to get you Nylander! Come on. Wow, and you would pay Willie 8 million. What does that say to Aho next year? Really you should start to think about these things..


    Should do some research brother. Ahos contract is going to be done before the end of the season. and it isnt Faulk for Nylander. Its Faulk + for Nylander. Its also funny how all the leaf fans think Pesce is 10000x better than Faulk.
    1 nov. 2018 à 12 h 33
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    Quoting: Gofnut999
    Look at it this way. Pu and the picks was the Skinner return, which was a bit light, but that’s another argument.

    Does Nylander = Skinner/Faulk/McKeown? If your a Leafs fan...yes. Most everyone else...iffy. But in all honesty i could see the Canes taking it, if nothing else it means they got something for Skinner.

    What do you put Nylanders value at strictly in draft picks? What about Faulk in terms of draft picks?


    IMO for Nylander it would be 1st(top10) 2nd 3rd and 4th? and for Faulk a 1st and maybe a 4th or 5th?
    1 nov. 2018 à 12 h 37
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    Nylander for Pesce and a unprotected first and second. Otherwise no deal.
    1 nov. 2018 à 12 h 56
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    Quoting: TiBo23
    Nylander for Pesce and a unprotected first and second. Otherwise no deal.


    No deal
    1 nov. 2018 à 13 h 10
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    No deal


    Two firsts You pick the the year within reason. We want Pecse though...
    1 nov. 2018 à 13 h 21
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    Quoting: Jamiepo
    Toronto declines.... easily.... not looking for another gardiner. We have plenty of offensive guys in the lineup and in the system.

    You can’t see the canes doing this????? They would love to get nylander for their spare parts.


    Top pairing RHD who wears a letter, is only 26 and been an all star and an Olympian = spare part
    1 nov. 2018 à 13 h 25
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    Quoting: jslongo
    IMO for Nylander it would be 1st(top10) 2nd 3rd and 4th? and for Faulk a 1st and maybe a 4th or 5th?


    I have Nylander at 1st an two 2nds. If someone was to go as high as 2 1sts and 3rd or as low as 1st, 2nd, 3rd i think it falls in the spectrum.

    Faulk is worth a 1st, prob a 1st and 3rd. Pair of 2nds might get him.

    Pu and RMac are worth 3rds.

    So Canes package in this is roughly equivalent to a 1st, 2nd, 4 3rds

    I’d say that is fair value.

    If Leafs don’t want Faulk, that’s fine. But that’s a completely different argument.

    Canes can move Faulk for a decent forward straight up. Guess it comes down to desire v. Business sense. Does one outweigh the other.
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    Top pairing RHD who wears a letter, is only 26 and been an all star and an Olympian = spare part


    Yes he is a spare part... did you not know that the canes have been trying to unload him since they got Hamilton???

    Nope... don’t want him don’t need him. Looking for a shut down guy, Faulk isn’t it. Our system is full of offensive Dmen.
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    Yes he is a spare part... did you not know that the canes have been trying to unload him since they got Hamilton???

    Nope... don’t want him don’t need him. Looking for a shut down guy, Faulk isn’t it. Our system is full of offensive Dmen.


    Faulk has been playing more minutes than Hamilton and is more than an offensive defensemen. Is it that hes american that makes you hate him?
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    Quoting: littlejerryseinfeld
    Faulk has been playing more minutes than Hamilton and is more than an offensive defensemen. Is it that hes american that makes you hate him?


    Yes must be cuz he’s American... we don’t want any Americans on the leafs.... do you know how stupid that sounds?

    Faulk is not a shut down guy and in case you haven’t noticed no leafs fans want him.... our GM doesn’t want him... if you’re so high on Faulk why don’t you lobby to have him on the sabres? If a player doesn’t fit your needs why would you trade a player like nylander?

    It’s this stupid mentality of any rhd will do that drives leafs fans nuts, besides our D has been great so far this season.
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    Yes must be cuz he’s American... we don’t want any Americans on the leafs.... do you know how stupid that sounds?

    Faulk is not a shut down guy and in case you haven’t noticed no leafs fans want him.... our GM doesn’t want him... if you’re so high on Faulk why don’t you lobby to have him on the sabres? If a player doesn’t fit your needs why would you trade a player like nylander?

    It’s this stupid mentality of any rhd will do that drives leafs fans nuts, besides our D has been great so far this season.


    I'd be happy to have him. We certainly enjoyed stealing skinner from Carolina. I had several trades proposed for Faulk before getting skinner and winning the lottery.
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    Quoting: littlejerryseinfeld
    I'd be happy to have him. We certainly enjoyed stealing skinner from Carolina. I had several trades proposed for Faulk before getting skinner and winning the lottery.


    Nylander is a bit more than a prospect and a second...
    1 nov. 2018 à 14 h 23
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    Quoting: TiBo23
    Two firsts You pick the the year within reason. We want Pecse though...


    Wayyyyy overpayment. Maybe Pesce and Buf's 2nd, but two firsts plus a shutdown top 4 guy on a long term team friendly deal for Nylander? No thank you.
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    Quoting: Jamiepo
    Yes he is a spare part... did you not know that the canes have been trying to unload him since they got Hamilton???

    Nope... don’t want him don’t need him. Looking for a shut down guy, Faulk isn’t it. Our system is full of offensive Dmen.


    Yet he was given an A.... ive come to the conclusion that you just hate Faulk. He is not near as bad as you make him seem.
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    Yet he was given an A.... ive come to the conclusion that you just hate Faulk. He is not near as bad as you make him seem.


    That’s great, you can keep him... people don’t like gardiner either.... I’m not hating on Faulk just saying we do not need another gardiner.

    Lots of teams would love to have him, the kind that are short on offensive puck moving Dmen, maybe oilers.
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    Quoting: Davioparker
    Wayyyyy overpayment. Maybe Pesce and Buf's 2nd, but two firsts plus a shutdown top 4 guy on a long term team friendly deal for Nylander? No thank you.


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