I like Weber, but that contract is too long for Montreal to want to retain (there's only 2 slots, so retaining a little isn't an option)
and we'd have to see Weber play post-surgery to see how many more good years he has left

It's a shame, Montreal is a team that would and could pay big for Nylander.
PHI/CAR/STL/DAL are intriguing destinations for Nylander.
I don't see Nylander being traded soon. He'll sign, he'll play at least this season, and if he's traded it will be at the deadline or draft.

I haven't done the math, but every team will now be calculating who they can protect in the Seattle expansion draft before even considering trading for a player with their whole career ahead of them.

I find it funny that they are insulting me, saying I am a brick wall and yet the refuse, or at least cannot understand that simple fact.

I believe it goes back to the preds.

If he retired yes. LTIRetirement is different (Hossa)

If Weber retires early, the penalty is borne by the teams that paid him more than his cap hit. So no sweat for anybody taking on Weber now.

It would be interesting if Montreal offered to retain the maximum, 50% of Weber's cap hit. That would free up cap space for the Leafs, but it would likely come at the cost of fewer assets for Nylander.

from MTL perspective: it's like paying Nylander $7x8 + Weber's retained $4x8. $11 for Nylander is UFA type money but within reason. Let's team tank for draft picks now, while investing today's cap space to get Nylander.
from TOR perspective: Weber would be an underpriced elite defensive D, helping protect our stars and adding a backbone for the playoffs. The added cap space ensures smooth sailing with Matthews, Marner, and even extending Gardiner.

TOR gets older and it's short term planning, but provided the Leafs are confident they can better scout and add D prospects than in the past... I'd take the 5 next years of Weber + cap space, in exchange for Nylander's next 10. There's few teams out there rebuilding with elite D they'll let go of, and adding D prospects doesn't unlock playoff success now -- in 4 years the Leafs can have their own drafted D ready, because there's no need to be adding any new forwards but that does nothing for the Marleau-baseed cap crunch.

The actual money paid was referenced in regards to Weber's desire to finish out the contract, not about a team willing to pay it,

So your argument, about us giving up 5 RFA years + whatever he signs for of Nylander, is that the guy we get back won't want to play much longer?

I commented to push back that weber has negative trade value, which I dont agree with. I brought up marleau because she was referenced with weber.

But he does have negative Value. That is what we are trying to tell you. No one wants his cap hit, or the term, and your argument is that he wont play much longer? So why would anyone give up anything for him? If he had no term I could see him going at 50% ret at the deadline, but he has 7 more years!

he has kadri as his profile pic and underneath it says rielly for norris. and u calling him thick headed??? nuff said

Jamiepo and Random 2152, your right that Leafs can't afford Weber. Your wrong that Weber doesn't improve your lineup.

I'm not sure either of us said he would not improve the line up today...

That is not an argument. And do you have a point? You crying over Kadri and Rielly? You could have had Rielly but you took chucky

Weber realisticly doesn't have negative value but he doesn't have much until he proves he can come back from his injury

Big no from toronto tho

no. but it shows how unrealistic and stupid ur biased view point is

The irony of you saying that...
Plus, cheering on the league scoring leader for the Norris is biased? And people have profile picks of other things all the time. It means nothing. You are actually ********.

looooool. those stats are so padded. u haven't even played a top 10 team in the league or a team that made the playoffs. and all of a sudden rielly deserves the norris? he;s not even a top 10 d man in the league. if karlsson has 1 point in 3 games to start the season by dylan demelo whom EK was traded for has 3 points in 4 games, does that maek Demelo better than EK? points dont mean everything for a defensemen. kevin shattenkirk can light up the score sheet, but cant defend for ****. ur actually delusional