I mean come on with that buffalo trade

DID YOU READ THE DESCRIPTION ? According to spectorshockey a 1st a 2nd and a good young prospect is what bufalo is looking for . On July 1st Oreilly has a 7.5 million bonus coming to him , this is one of the reasons they are trying to trade him that plus he does not get along with Eichel and he also bad mouthed team management at year end interview .

Years of having booty prospects has jaded your view of what a “Good” prospect is. Oesterle and Hino are older depth prospects. Neither moves the meter as impact players. We’re talking former 1st round top30 affiliates prospects level here lol.

No way.

I agree on Oesterle not being young but what are you smoking thinking Hino isn't a good prospect? 25 points in 50 games last season and just turned 24 years old.

Most Buf fans are way overvaluing ROR and thinking he's worth a top 1C in a trade. The guy has maybe 3 years left before that contract really becomes a boat anchor.

A players peak starts at 24. So we are seeing what hinostroza is. A decent 3rd liber that can put up a half PPG.
Buffalo is looking for younger prospects that will hit their peak in 2-3 years when this team should be contending.

FWIW, there’s a lot of analytic studies that show that ROR is actually a bargain contract. I disagree to the magnitude of the “boat anchor” comment, but that’s the appeal of trading him. By the time Buffalo should be ready to make playoff runs he will probably be a big deal they wish they didn’t have. But for now he has value to teams in win now.

If a team values him more bc of that, that’s why he’s a trade candidate.

Yadigg.

Forget ROR. I wouldn't give up a 1st, 2nd and Hino for a guy that is at his peak. ROR is a great 2C and in the top 5 2C's in the league. However, with 5 years left on his agreement, when he's at the age of 30, his play will start declining and the last year or two of that agreement will look like a boat anchor. Let some other team overpay for him the same way Ottawa overpaid for Duchene. Keep Schamltz at the 2C, sign Jay Beagle or Riley nash at the 3C and sign JVR or Neal at he LW. Would rather do all that within the same price ($1M more possibly) as ROR and not give up any picks and certainly not Hino.

That's laughable. All players peak at different times, some at 24, some at 28. Kane was at 26. Keith was at 26 - 30. Both of those players started in the league at a young age. Panarin who started later in the NHL, at the age of 24, is now 27 and still may have not yet peaked. Seriously, that is just a dumb comment.

I agree the peak comment is non sense . depending on if the player is coming from college , europe ; minor leagues , etc... Most players do not not break into NHL before 21 to 23 years old .

T he reason I am willing to get rid of HINO is my belief that hawks are already carrying to many undersized players

How about some numbers? I took time to do research into the matter and make an educated opinion. Or is that too much for you? Yeah some players peak differently but on average skaters plateau from 22-25 and then it starts to roll downhill.

Trying to refute the numbers just looks ignorant on your part lol.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/hockey-graphs.com/2017/03/23/a-new-look-at-aging-curves-for-nhl-skaters-part-1/amp/

It's all depends on when the player started playing in the NHL and what development program they came out of. As I said, look no further then Panarin as a great example. Hino hasn't even played one full season in the NHL and put up 25 points in 50 games, he's only starting his career. He plays 1st line, 2nd line and 3rd line minutes. You discredited him simply based on his age and a law of averages without looking at the individual, GM's are typically smarter then that. Do you realize if that was a rule how horrible of an error that would be if you missed on Keith, Kane and Panarin and dozens of others. And using your same logic, you basically just crushed ROR trade value based on his age and your laws of average. In the real world, you don't value players this way.

I hear you, but the game is getting faster and smaller players are becoming the norm. Look at how small some of the top D guys that got drafter are. I'm fine having small winders with speed and skill. Hino is incredibly gritty too. He reminds me of a better skilled version of Shaw.

1. Cherry picking specific players who hit their prime slightly later is not a logical argument to the broad data tha I supplied. It’s broad for a reason, law of averages.

2. ROR is a declining asset, I’m not arguing that. But he is still a good player that the return should be high. And he is worth more to someone who wants to win within the next 3 years than Buffalo, that’s why he’s thought to be trade bait. Also it’s being reported that STL is offering Thomas and First for Nylander and ROR. I’m just saying this offer doesn’t even touch that one that’s being reported so take that as you will.

1. Nobody is cherry picking here; there are DOZENS of examples like this. I took random guys who I'm very familiar with being a Hawks fan...do you want me to keep going and give you more examples? GM's don't trade players on laws of averages, they trade them on their past performance, time spent in the NHL, contract values and upside. You're flat out wrong because you haven't watched Hino enough to know the guy hasn't peaked. Remember what you are saying here as this season progresses and Hino plays a full season...I'm betting he's putting up at least 40 points.

2. That's exactly what I said above; but Hawks have no need to overpay him. Let some mismanaged team overpay for him kinda like Ottawa did with Duchene. ROR is not worth a 1st, 2nd, Hino and a role player for the Hawks to move Schmaltz to the wing position.

Ok dude im the dumb one using stats. Can’t teach a rock math lol.

And agreed, ROR is not a fit for CHI.

I didn't say your dumb, I said and others here agreed, you made a dumb comment and I clearly showed examples why that comment was dumb. You don't judge the value of one individual player based on laws of average; simple understanding of mathematical laws of averages.

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