Why would Chicago even think a second about doing that?

Because he's retiring but still have a contract counting for 5,275 millions $ on the payroll of Hawks until 2020-2021...no?

#1 - Hossa will go on LITR and therefore the $5.275M gets full cap relief.
#2 - His cap hit is $5.275M (which again goes on LITR so doesn't matter) but his actual salary pay is only $1M.

Because of this, teams that have trouble reaching the cap floor, will use his cap hit of $5.275M instead of putting him on LITR with only a cost of $1M. Make sense? If nobody wants it, Hawks just throw him on LITR day 1 and only take a cap hit of roughly $150K or 1 day of his cap.

So again, why would the hawks give up a #8 pick, doesn't make sense...no?

Zero chance Hawks move #8 pick to shed Hossa's contract. They will move Anisimov long before attaching a premium asset to Hossa IF they even get to a point where the cap space is needed this Summer. Schmaltz emergence in the middle with Kane makes Anisimov a luxury for the Hawks that is easily moved (you may not love the return you would get....but certainly moveable).

You don't need to package an asset with Hossa's contract. Most people don't understand the latest rules on LITR, but there is a good explanation of it.

https://www.capfriendly.com/ltir-faq

It will cost a lot more than $150K to Chicago if they can't trade him.
And the cap dump you're talking about...what u think it will cost to Chicago???

1. Did you not read the link I provided above? It will not, it's about $150K towards the cap if you LITR day one.
2. Chicago will not trade Hossa if there is a cost beyond a 6th round pick or so, there is not reason to as they can LITR him day one.

Please take the time to read below so teams/posts like this aren't perceived as trolling.
https://www.capfriendly.com/ltir-faq

I understand the rules very well....including having to be complaint on day one, LTIR can't be used for bonus overages or to accrue cap space for the deadline. At best, you can massage using 2-3 million of Hossa's cap hit (sign some garbage leftover free agent on day 2 of the season like Franson and start with a 20 man roster and recall a couple kids after you LTIR Hossa and can actually go over to get to a 22 man roster. You reward for all that gymnastics is starting the next year with a bonus overage penalty reducing your useable cap.

What teams do you see having a problem with the cap floor? I don't see any. Arizona now has Gally, Carolina needs to pay Lindholm and Hanafin, Vegas will pay for their success (and guys will want to go there). If you admit that there are few (if any) teams that realistically have an issue with the cap floor, you are then looking for franchises that know they will not approach the cap max WITHIN THREE years that remain on Hossa's deal. You can instantly eliminate more then half the league (Pitts, Philly, Tampa, Winnipeg, Washington, Edmonton, LA, Minny, Nashville, Boston, San Jose, Toronto, etc) with teams that have the commitments already or players you know they will be gladly paying to keep.


You are paying something or taking something bad back to move 3 years of Hossa at this point. I don't think it has to be a premium asset like the #8, as there are a dozen or so teams that know they will not spend to the cap max in the next 3 years, but they are not doing it out of the goodness of their hearts.

Car is doing a fire sale, so hard to know where they will be regardless of Lindholm and Hanafin who they might trade.

I don't know how you are calculating $2-$3M.

Directly from the LITR rules.

"Can LTIR be used in the off-season?
Yes, LTIR can be used in the off-season while the 10% off-season cushion is active. LTIR in the off-season is calculated using the basic equation outlined above, which permits a team to exceed the off-season salary cap. To use off-season LTIR the team must provide doctors proof that the player in question will continue to be injured at the beginning of the regular season for 10 NHL games and 24 calendar days. At the start of the season the teams LTIR relief & ACSL is recalculated when the 10% cushion is removed."

In other word, on day one of the season, you have to be 100% compliant with the cap BEFORE you can LTIR anyone to then and only then go over by up to whatever you LTIR. Did you not pay attention last Summer? We kept Franson on a pro tryout with a wink and a smile until day one of the season, put Hossa on LTIR, and then went over the cap by signing Franson on October 2nd, and recalled a couple kids we assigned to Rockford on paper until we could go over. Unless you have a free agent good enough to sign for Hossa's 5.275 willing to wait on the Hawks until day 2 of the season (after they LTIR Hossa and can then go over the cap by his cap hit amount), you are signing marginal leftovers like a Franson and playing the game with starting with a bare minimum 20 man roster and adding a couple kids to get to the tradition 22 man team after the LTIR is used. Best case, you squeeze a couple million out of a couple kids being assigned and then immediately recalled and then whatever you can sign someone to (again after all the other free agents have found homes and someone that was willing to wait). I suppose you could trade for a RFA that runs into a contract argument with their existing team for all of Hossa's cap/LTIR amount, but that is on day 2 of the NHL season in October.

Carolina is not doing a fire sale. Their GM clarified his everyone but Aho is available comment that people took as a fire sale and ran with. Sure, if they don't see Skinner's demands fitting into their budget (with Teuvo and Aho needing new deals in the near future) or he doesn't want to stay, they'll move him. They are also going to add a goalie, likely a forward if they move Skinner, in addition to signing their own RFA's.