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Équipe: 2018-19 Sénateurs d'Ottawa
Date de création initiale: 15 juin 2018
Publié: 15 juin 2018
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Description
Necessities out of Ottawa
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
RFAANSCAP HIT
2850 000 $
44 000 000 $
1735 000 $
67 500 000 $
UFAANSCAP HIT
Tkachuk, Brady
3900 000 $
22 400 000 $
21 300 000 $
12 000 000 $
34 000 000 $
Transactions
1.
OTT
  1. Choix de 1e ronde en 2019 (OTT)
COL
  1. Hoffman, Mike
Détails additionnels:
Frederick Claesson
2.
OTT
  1. Glass, Cody
  2. Hague, Nicolas
  3. Choix de 1e ronde en 2019 (VGK)
  4. Choix de 5e ronde en 2019 (MTL)
3.
OTT
  1. Bérubé, Jean-François
  2. Choix de 5e ronde en 2019 (CHI)
4.
CGY
  1. Pageau, Jean-Gabriel
  2. Choix de 6e ronde en 2018 (OTT)
Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire
Repêchage1e ronde2e ronde3e ronde4e ronde5e ronde6e ronde7e ronde
2018
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Logo de PIT
Logo de OTT
Logo de OTT
Logo de OTT
Logo de NYR
2019
Logo de OTT
Logo de VGK
Logo de OTT
Logo de PIT
Logo de OTT
Logo de OTT
Logo de MTL
Logo de CHI
Logo de OTT
Logo de OTT
Logo de CGY
2020
Logo de OTT
Logo de OTT
Logo de OTT
Logo de CBJ
Logo de OTT
Logo de OTT
Logo de OTT
Logo de OTT
TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2675 000 000 $65 754 999 $0 $2 102 500 $9 245 001 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
900 000 $900 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
6 000 000 $6 000 000 $
AD, C
UFA - 1
7 500 000 $7 500 000 $
AD
UFA - 1
1 950 000 $1 950 000 $
C
UFA - 1
925 000 $925 000 $ (Bonis de performance850 000 $$850K)
C, AD
UFA - 1
1 800 000 $1 800 000 $
AG, AD, C
UFA - 1
863 333 $863 333 $ (Bonis de performance710 000 $$710K)
C, AG
RFA - 3
2 000 000 $2 000 000 $
C, AG
UFA
7 250 000 $7 250 000 $
AD, AG
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 4
1 300 000 $1 300 000 $
AG
UFA - 2
3 250 000 $3 250 000 $
AG, C
M-NTC
UFA - 3
728 333 $728 333 $ (Bonis de performance182 500 $$182K)
C
UFA - 2
650 000 $650 000 $
AG
UFA - 1
1 100 000 $1 100 000 $
C
UFA - 1
4 875 000 $4 875 000 $
AD
UFA - 3
850 000 $850 000 $
C, AG
UFA - 1
2 500 000 $2 500 000 $
AD, AG
M-NTC
UFA - 1
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
863 333 $863 333 $ (Bonis de performance360 000 $$360K)
DG
UFA - 2
4 000 000 $4 000 000 $
DD
UFA - 1
4 750 000 $4 750 000 $
G
M-NTC
UFA - 2
4 000 000 $4 000 000 $
DG/DD
UFA - 4
2 400 000 $2 400 000 $
DD
UFA - 1
700 000 $700 000 $
G
UFA - 1
725 000 $725 000 $
DG
UFA - 2
925 000 $925 000 $
DG
UFA - 1
1 200 000 $1 200 000 $
DG
UFA - 2
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
4 650 000 $4 650 000 $
AG
M-NTC
UFA - 2

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15 juin 2018 à 12 h 53
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The only deal that is even close to realistic is the Condon deal.

Glass is the reason Karlsson wasn't dealt at the deadline. They are not giving him up, especially for only one guaranteed year. If they were going to do it, they would have done it with last years run.

I don't see any world in which you get Bennett for Pageau. That would have to be at least a 3rd rd pick, but probably a 2nd. Bennett is still young...

I don't think you are getting anything for Hoffman at this point. Too many red flag2 & Claesson is JAG. A team might take a flyer with a 2nd or 3rd pick, but everyone knows the situation. He needs to go, and there is a lot of baggage. This brings me back to Karlsson - It also brings down his trade value because, realistically they both need to go and if it's true- it makes Hoffman very unappealing (highly likely) . If it's not true (Highly doubtful) than Karlsson looks bad. Either way it's not good for the Sens.
15 juin 2018 à 13 h 1
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That Ottawa 1st rounder could be the most valuable asset in hockey. Colorado will either get the 4th pick or possibly the 1st next year, cause Ottawa is going to be terrible next year when they trade Hoffman and Karlsson. It'll start a complete rebuild cause Duchene isn't going to stay through another Colorado finishing last place season, he'll want out too. Then why would Stone want to stay.

Keep that first no matter what anyone offers you.
15 juin 2018 à 13 h 19
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Quoting: Propeller09
The only deal that is even close to realistic is the Condon deal.

Glass is the reason Karlsson wasn't dealt at the deadline. They are not giving him up, especially for only one guaranteed year. If they were going to do it, they would have done it with last years run.

I don't see any world in which you get Bennett for Pageau. That would have to be at least a 3rd rd pick, but probably a 2nd. Bennett is still young...

I don't think you are getting anything for Hoffman at this point. Too many red flag2 & Claesson is JAG. A team might take a flyer with a 2nd or 3rd pick, but everyone knows the situation. He needs to go, and there is a lot of baggage. This brings me back to Karlsson - It also brings down his trade value because, realistically they both need to go and if it's true- it makes Hoffman very unappealing (highly likely) . If it's not true (Highly doubtful) than Karlsson looks bad. Either way it's not good for the Sens.


Quoting: Propeller09
The only deal that is even close to realistic is the Condon deal.

Glass is the reason Karlsson wasn't dealt at the deadline. They are not giving him up, especially for only one guaranteed year. If they were going to do it, they would have done it with last years run.

I don't see any world in which you get Bennett for Pageau. That would have to be at least a 3rd rd pick, but probably a 2nd. Bennett is still young...

I don't think you are getting anything for Hoffman at this point. Too many red flag2 & Claesson is JAG. A team might take a flyer with a 2nd or 3rd pick, but everyone knows the situation. He needs to go, and there is a lot of baggage. This brings me back to Karlsson - It also brings down his trade value because, realistically they both need to go and if it's true- it makes Hoffman very unappealing (highly likely) . If it's not true (Highly doubtful) than Karlsson looks bad. Either way it's not good for the Sens.


Quoting: Propeller09
The only deal that is even close to realistic is the Condon deal.

Glass is the reason Karlsson wasn't dealt at the deadline. They are not giving him up, especially for only one guaranteed year. If they were going to do it, they would have done it with last years run.

I don't see any world in which you get Bennett for Pageau. That would have to be at least a 3rd rd pick, but probably a 2nd. Bennett is still young...

I don't think you are getting anything for Hoffman at this point. Too many red flag2 & Claesson is JAG. A team might take a flyer with a 2nd or 3rd pick, but everyone knows the situation. He needs to go, and there is a lot of baggage. This brings me back to Karlsson - It also brings down his trade value because, realistically they both need to go and if it's true- it makes Hoffman very unappealing (highly likely) . If it's not true (Highly doubtful) than Karlsson looks bad. Either way it's not good for the Sens.


Bennett trade may be a stretch, but he was also on the outside looking in for quite a while this season and last for under-performance. Although he seemed to find his groove a bit more when Jankowski jumped into the lineup full time, I think it's fair to say Pageau has been slightly better over the past two seasons, and he's only 25.

I don't think the Karlsson trade is that far off. Vegas has come back asking for Karlsson once again, and this trade seems very close to what the rumours are reported to include. Keep in mind Karlsson is arguably the best defenceman on the planet. A team isn't going to give up that much for him if they don't think they have a shot at re-signing him, but I think a lot of them do. This guy has a Norris trophy, is in the prime of his career, and has a year left at an extremely affordable price. If I'm Ottawa, I'm not taking anything less than a first round pick and a top prospect, plus a mid-range prospect for that.

Agreed that Ottawa would likely have to give up a lot to get that first rounder back from Colorado next year, but once again I don't see this as being that far off. Think about the top line in COL of MacKinnon, Rantanen and Hoffman... I would be pretty enticed if I were the Avalanche. Yes, Hoffman's value took a hit when the recent story came out, but he's scored 20 goals in four consecutive years and is in the prime of his career. If Ottawa has to sweeten the deal a bit, that can be done. Ottawa has plenty of chips to play to try to recoup that pick.
15 juin 2018 à 13 h 24
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Quoting: LoganOllivier
That Ottawa 1st rounder could be the most valuable asset in hockey. Colorado will either get the 4th pick or possibly the 1st next year, cause Ottawa is going to be terrible next year when they trade Hoffman and Karlsson. It'll start a complete rebuild cause Duchene isn't going to stay through another Colorado finishing last place season, he'll want out too. Then why would Stone want to stay.

Keep that first no matter what anyone offers you.


Is your suggestion that over the course of one season, Ottawa will lose: Karlsson, Hoffman, Duchene and Stone? If so, let me put it simply: there's no way that happens.
15 juin 2018 à 13 h 54
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Is your suggestion that over the course of one season, Ottawa will lose: Karlsson, Hoffman, Duchene and Stone? If so, let me put it simply: there's no way that happens.


Why wouldn't it? We all know Karlsson is getting traded. Hoffman's fiance is going to make it very hard to trade him for good value. (No one wants that drama, NO ONE) after that, Ottawa is rebuilding, their defence is week, their offence isn't very strong beyond Duchene and Matt Stone which means you won't be scoring much or stopping people from scoring. Things are getting worse before they get better. The sharks are circling, cause all the other GM's are smelling blood in the water.

If I'm Dorion, I'm pitching to do a full rebuild cause honestly Ottawa needs one, they aren't a contender and don't give me the almost making it to the Cup two seasons ago story as proof they are a contender. They are not as good as the top 3 teams in their division and Buffalo is moving forward eventually so being competitive in this division is going to get harder. Start fresh and get rid of all the nonsense that is surrounding this team.

So if that is the case, then that pick Colorado has is an awesome one that'll be a top 10 pick no matter what. If Ottawa says we are giving you the 4th pick this year and then we'll trade you Karlsson to get that pick back (obviously there would be more parts), then maybe Sakic makes that trade. He holds all the power though in that negotiation.
15 juin 2018 à 14 h 22
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I would agree Ottawa is in need of a full-on rebuild. I think you make a really good point about the division being far too strong for them to be competitive in the next little while, however, if they keep the majority of the same parts for this year, I would say they're 5-8 wins better than they were this year, which is where I would see them. They're not going to compete with Tampa, Toronto, Boston, but they're not going to get stomped by MTL, BUF, or DET, at least not this year. They are not a top-3 pick next year even without Karlsson and Hoffman, considering what the likely return would be for them.

Although I would agree Hoffman's value has declined a bit, I think you're really over-estimating the impact. He's played 4 season in the NHL, averaging 25 goals a season. Think of Evander Kane. His return was a first rounder, fourth rounder, and a mid-range prospect. That's for a guy who has 9 seasons under his belt, 4-20 goal seasons and one 30-goal season. Also a guy very well-known for drama and behavioral problems. Those problems weren't a first time thing like Hoffman's.

I like where you see this team going, but you also didn't address how Duchene and Stone are both leaving. Duchene turned it on towards the end of the year last season, I could see Ottawa using him as their #1 centre and paying him the money to do so. Also, the biggest thing you're missing is that stone is an RFA. Even if a team offer-sheets him (there is a potential that this happens), Ottawa would certainly match it.

My pitch: See if you can deal Hoffman+ to COL and recoup next year's pick. Where there's a will, there's a way. If not, maybe NYI has interest as a way to entice JT to stay. In that case, take the #12 pick straight up. Trade Karlsson for a top prospect, first round pick, and mid range prospect, and throw in an NHL ready player who doesn't play much in Vegas. Ryan Carpenter could be an option. Then, use the money you free up to lock down Stone, and hopefully Duchene (for the right price). All of that, the Sens are looking very solid 2-3 years down the road.
 
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