Ha I like the idea of reigniting the rivalry but there is no chance that we trade a 1st round pick just to move up one spot in the draft!

your overvalueing ROR here. MTL hasn’t overpaid for a center yet, their not going to overpay for ROR, especially this much of an over payment.

They're trading 3oa and Rychel for ROR. Thats not an overpayment

Yesterday I did such a deal ROR for 3OA and I was told that ROR is not the third choice, although I don't think so.

yeah its only the 3rd overall pick nothing really special about it...

OTT would be stupid to do that trade and so would MTL but if habs did do that i would much much rather just take Zadina??? we need top scoring wingers

Yeah established #1 center nothing really special about it...

They wouldnt this year and they take Lundestrom at 22

oh yeah ROR is obviously more valued than zadina and Tkachuk

ROR is a #1 center on a bad team. hes a great #2 center on a playoff team. So many other sabres fans seem to overvalue him its crazy

He isn’t a #1 center. He is a very good #2 but he doesn’t score enough to be considered a #1.

definitely more than Tkachuk,who MTL is going to take. Zadina plays a different style, but ROR can produce up there with him.

dont buy into their garbage. with no help he is a 60 point 2 way center. Sabres dont need to move him and he's signed long term.


He had 10 less points, but still 3 more goals than Backstrom, who has Ovi on his line.
14 less points and only 3 less goals than Marchessault, who had Karlsson
2 less points than Matthews
1 more than Scheifele
all top line centers, on playoff teams that made deep runs (except Toronto LOL) with much better linemates

Problem: The Sabres' goaltending is not addressed. Lehner should not quality for an offer. The Sabres should not offer him one-year, $4,000,000 to bum out in goal.

Highly disagree and I gave you the stats

1. The Hoffman trade is fair enough value I think, though with the current anti-Hoffman sentiment that pick can definitely be lottery protected.

2. That Montreal trade is off value by a ton. Shaw and the rights to Rychel aren't worth much in this trade, but Scandella has almost no value to Montreal so isn't worth much in this trade either. Scandella would be at best Montreal's 4D. Weber and Petry are better than him, and Reilly put up similar possession numbers while recording .32pts/game to Scandella's .27pts/game. Reilly is also more than 3 years younger. Plus, Montreal management has to bank on Mete taking a step forward and Alzner getting back to somewhere closer to his normal.
Fair value for ROR approx. 7thOA, depending on the strength of the draft. This is based of the Stepan trade. Stepan has better offensive numbers over the course of his career, .7 to .65 pts/game, and better career possession numbers across the board although ROR does starts in his own zone far more. Overall, Stepan is the best comparable, Raanta and DeAngelo are basically a wash in that trade, though you could maybe argue a pick in either direction depending on how you see them.
Then you add Pacioretty on top of that, he is a proven 30 goal scorer who's bad season still had him on a 20 goal pace, not exactly negative value.
TL;dr 3rdOA>ROR, Scandella doesn't make the difference, Montreal declines easily.

3. The Vancouver trade looks like almost a wash without the pick, it could probably be done with a 6th or 7th.

4. Montreal trade doesn't happen so this doesn't happen, and Ottawa doesn't pay a 1st to move 4th to 3rd anyway.

Idc if Hoffman is a 20 goal guy I don't want to see him near buffalo unless risto is running him over

Backstrom didn’t play with Ovi this year, that would Kuznetzov. Mathews and Scheiffle both missed significant time this year, ROR played a full season.

I’m not saying he is bad but he isn’t in the same Teir as those guys, throw in McKinnon, McDavid, Barkov, Tavares, etc. A number 1 center is a point a game player or almost and plays 19-21 minutes a night. ROR is a very good shut down guy but he is not a #1C. Never has been. Hence why he is not worth 3rd overall.

Enjoy Lehner wherever he goes. Lehner should not be back with the Sabres.

his salary is even worse