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NYI - Getting picks back

Créé par: Tkachinla
Équipe: 2018-19 Flames de Calgary
Date de création initiale: 10 juin 2018
Publié: 10 juin 2018
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Description
Brodie is worth a mid 1st round pick plus a prospect, at a minimum. Has two years term on a great contract, 28 years old, proven Top 3-4 guy. Would fit in nicely with Leddy and Boychuk:
https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/definitive-ranking-nhls-top-23-defencemen-three-seasons/

Stone is worth a mid 2nd rounder:
https://flamesnation.ca/2018/06/08/what-are-defensemen-worth-in-the-trade-market/

Fox is worth a 2018 2nd round pick. Harvard with a few years left at school. American. Born in NY state. Likely would love to have his rights traded to an east coast team.

NYI has not given Ho-Sang much of an opportunity at the NHL level, and ongoing "cultural" difficulties make it easy for NYI to get value back for the player.
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
RFAANSCAP HIT
21 750 000 $
31 200 000 $
1750 000 $
1750 000 $
1700 000 $
1700 000 $
1700 000 $
2900 000 $
UFAANSCAP HIT
1700 000 $
1700 000 $
1700 000 $
21 000 000 $
21 850 000 $
13 650 000 $
21 650 000 $
Transactions
1.
CGY
  1. Ho-Sang, Joshua
  2. Choix de 1e ronde en 2018 (CGY)
  3. Choix de 2e ronde en 2018 (CGY)
  4. Choix de 2e ronde en 2019 (CGY)
NYI
  1. Brodie, TJ
  2. Stone, Michael
  3. Choix de 4e ronde en 2019 (NYI)
Détails additionnels:
D Adam Fox
2.
CGY
  1. Choix de 3e ronde en 2018 (VAN)
Détails additionnels:
VAN moves back one round in the 2018 draft and gets a veteran player on a much reduced contract.
VAN
  1. Brouwer, Troy (1 500 000 $ retained)
  2. Choix de 4e ronde en 2018 (FLA)
Détails additionnels:
Retention amount equal to what CGY would pay to buy Brouwer out, except this way CGY only pays him $1.5M for 2 years instead of 4 years.

Gets VAN a veteran player for their 4th line. Lots of cap space with Sedins retiring, plus a very young forward core. Also factor in that Jim Benning isn't that savvy. CGY and VAN have a history of doing deals together.
Rachats de contrats
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2018
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2019
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2020
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TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2880 000 000 $66 876 309 $0 $2 197 500 $13 123 691 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
Gaudreau, Johnny
6 750 000 $6 750 000 $
AG
UFA - 4
Monahan, Sean
6 375 000 $6 375 000 $
C, AG, AD
UFA - 5
Ho-Sang, Joshua
863 333 $863 333 $ (Bonis de performance212 500 $$212K)
AD, C
UFA - 1
Tkachuk, Matthew
925 000 $925 000 $ (Bonis de performance850 000 $$850K)
AD
UFA - 1
Backlund, Mikael
5 350 000 $5 350 000 $
C
NTC
UFA - 6
Frolík, Michael
4 300 000 $4 300 000 $
AG, AD
M-NTC
UFA - 2
Bennett, Sam
1 950 000 $1 950 000 $
C
UFA - 1
Jankowski, Mark
1 750 000 $1 750 000 $
C, AG
UFA - 2
Czarnik, Austin
1 000 000 $1 000 000 $
C, AD
UFA - 2
Ferland, Micheal
1 750 000 $1 750 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
Ryan, Derek
1 850 000 $1 850 000 $
C, AD
UFA - 3
Shore, Nick
750 000 $750 000 $
C
UFA
Mangiapane, Andrew
705 000 $705 000 $ (Bonis de performance70 000 $$70K)
AD, AG
UFA - 1
Lazar, Curtis
950 000 $950 000 $
AD, C
UFA - 1
Hathaway, Garnet
750 000 $750 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 1
Lomberg, Ryan
710 000 $710 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
Foo, Spencer
925 000 $925 000 $ (Bonis de performance850 000 $$850K)
AD, C
UFA - 1
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
Giordano, Mark
3 375 000 $3 375 000 $
DG
NTC
UFA - 4
Hamilton, Dougie
5 750 000 $5 750 000 $
DD
UFA - 3
Smith, Mike
4 250 000 $4 250 000 $
G
M-NTC
UFA - 1
Andersson, Rasmus
755 833 $755 833 $ (Bonis de performance82 500 $$82K)
DD
UFA - 2
Hamonic, Travis
3 857 143 $3 857 143 $
DD
UFA - 2
Bernier, Jonathan
3 650 000 $3 650 000 $
G
UFA - 3
Kulak, Brett
1 200 000 $1 200 000 $
DG/DD
UFA - 1
Pateryn, Greg
1 650 000 $1 650 000 $
DD
UFA - 3
Gillies, Jon
900 000 $900 000 $
G
UFA - 2
Kylington, Oliver
730 833 $730 833 $ (Bonis de performance132 500 $$132K)
DG/DD
UFA - 2
Goloubef, Cody
700 000 $700 000 $
DD
UFA - 1

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10 juin 2018 à 14 h 18
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Brodie isn't worth more than Ho Sang and a 2nd, let alone that
10 juin 2018 à 14 h 26
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Quoting: PenGoater99
Brodie isn't worth more than Ho Sang and a 2nd, let alone that


A top 4 dman at 28 years old is definitely worth a "problem prospect" and a 2nd. Vatanen, an equal player to Brodie (if we're being conservative), netted a Top 6 center (Henrique) plus Blandisi (a roster player with equal value to Ho-Sang). Top 6 centers go for a pretty premium. So, yeah, I firmly believe that a mid-1st plus Ho-Sang is doable for Brodie. Likely on a the lower end of the value curve.

FYI: While this is prepared by "FlamesNation" (I'll admit it's likely subject to a bias or two), it does show recent comparable trades for dmen in a straightforward manner. It's a fair reference for comparable values: https://flamesnation.ca/2018/06/08/what-are-defensemen-worth-in-the-trade-market
10 juin 2018 à 14 h 30
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Lou would laugh at this offer.
10 juin 2018 à 14 h 32
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A top 4 dman at 28 years old is definitely worth a "problem prospect" and a 2nd. Vatanen, an equal player to Brodie (if we're being conservative), netted a Top 6 center (Henrique) plus Blandisi (a roster player with equal value to Ho-Sang). Top 6 centers go for a pretty premium. So, yeah, I firmly believe that a mid-1st plus Ho-Sang is doable for Brodie. Likely on a the lower end of the value curve.

FYI: While this is prepared by "FlamesNation" (I'll admit it's likely subject to a bias or two), it does show recent comparable trades for dmen in a straightforward manner. It's a fair reference for comparable values: https://flamesnation.ca/2018/06/08/what-are-defensemen-worth-in-the-trade-market


Blandisi is an AHL bottom 6 player. And the package for Brodie should stop at Ho Sang and a 2nd
10 juin 2018 à 14 h 34
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Quoting: isles_fan123
Lou would laugh at this offer.


Split this up anyway you like, and the value is good both ways:

Stone + 2018 4th = Ho-Sang (Stone is worth a 3rd round pick in 2018 or 2019)
Brodie = 2018 1st + 2019 2nd (standard price for Top 4 dmen on good contracts -- see all recent comparables over past 4-5 years)
Fox = 2018 2nd (subject to signing a contract, Lou and every GM would do this deal all day)
10 juin 2018 à 14 h 36
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Quoting: PenGoater99
Blandisi is an AHL bottom 6 player. And the package for Brodie should stop at Ho Sang and a 2nd


No Top 4 dman in the NHL goes for a problem prospect (see any piece of news related to NYI and Ho-Sang since he was drafted) and a 2nd. It just doesn't happen. Are you suggesting that Ho-Sang and a 2nd rounder is equal to Henrique? A bonafide Top 6 center? Not a chance, even for a cap-strapped team.
10 juin 2018 à 16 h 6
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Stone isn't worth a 2nd with retention let alone without. His contract stinks and he was bad. Brodie isn't worth a mid round 1st (Calling 11/12 a mid first is a stretch, especially in this draft) and a prospect. He's good on a good contract, but he's not an elite defenseman.
 
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