is there really bad blood between flames and dougie? seems like both teams would keep their young studs rather than swap

your username just made me laugh my ass off

Norris trophy caliber defenseman for a 20 goal scoring winger, that's like trading Doughty for Tkachuk

Don't believe so, but what do fans know? Flames do have an excess of viable D and need some RHS RW. Toronto would probably have to add to Nylander to get Hamilton, who was the top goal-scoring D in the NHL while only playing top PP for ~25 games.... If you want a straight across deal, make it Marner.

I don't even see Marner as enough return for Hamilton, let alone Nylander. Hamilton is a top 5 Dman but also still young. Maybe a Nylander plus Bracco/Leivo and Zaitsev would be fair

ooooh idk i think Marner and Nylander hold pretty similiar values... and i think Hamilton is right in that some pocket. Hamilton value as a D maybe puts him at top of that tier but Nylander and Matthews chemistry makes the trade not ideal for TOR either way. All great young players who should not be moved cough cough boston

Based off what exactly? Because he's going to be 25 starting next year and while his offensive stats are nice, his coaches have not had the confidence to play him like a Doughty. Not even close. So can we please stop making Hamilton out to be a Norris calibre dman. He hasn't ever been nominated for one, let alone winning one, and we can review top 50 Fantasy D drafts and Hamilton won't even crack top 10 in any of them...

In case my point was misunderstood, I am not saying Hamilton is not good. He is very good! But the exaggeration on him is palpable. He is no more a Norris calibre dman than Nylander is a #1 center/winger.

Nylander is nothing compared to hamilton

You are joking, the Hamilton Giordano pairing has been then best dman couple in the league the last few seasons, it's not even a contest, the next closest couple are miles away from being as effective as them, they are heads and shoulders above the rest and while Gio has a lot to do with that, Hamilton is super talented as well

Rather than pull answers from your behind, do you mind putting facts to your analysis? What are you basing this insidious claim off of exactly? Your expertise?

Once again, Im not saying these guys suck. On the contrary, they're both good but anyone who says that Giordano and Hamilton are the best d pairing in the league is not someone's opinion I take seriously.

i would legitimately consider taking Subban and Ekholm over Gio and Ham and that is nashville's 3 and 4 pair ... there is no analysis that shows gio and ham are the best in the league

Right? Hamilton and Giordano are good don't get me wrong but I don't know what team @er58 is watching. No one would say they are the best tandem in the league at any time ever.... This was the first year Hamilton played over 20 minutes a game!!!

Hamilton has always been voted in Norris ballots and came around 4-7th every time, its only a matter of time he is always nominated.

1. Werenski/Jones
2. Muzzin/Doughty
3.Giordano/Hamilton

They are the best, can't disagree with these stats, it's the rest of the Flames that suck.
And they posted similar numbers again this past season so if you still disagree I'd like to see the numbers for the best pairing in your opinions because no one comes close.

https://www.tsn.ca/talent/hamilton-and-giordano-are-the-best-pairing-in-hockey-1.704373

https://www.hockey-reference.com/players/h/hamildo01.html

Not one top 3 "nomination"..... Only finishing in the ranking to even be considered for nomination, once, (9th overall last year for Hamilton)



Wow those are good advanced numbers! I still don't agree though.

Meanwhile, Nylander hasn’t even been considered as a proper winger and is often referred as the future third line center. Even Maroon has 7 more goals than him

Worst. Comment. Ever.

That was definitely poorly worded, my apologies

Whoa whoa whoa, that is way too nice for this site!

Where's the "You're so dumb" and "You don't know anything about hockey"?

Ahhhh that's more like it!!

Got to own up to a mistake, Nylander is a top 6 goal scorer, I don’t understand what I was trying to point out