Wings reject this or should reject it.

Sure Detroit retains on both Ericsson and Nyquist And FWIW Nyquist is a 40+ per season LW way more then his worth and yet we take on that garbage Orpik contract. Not a chance

I'm actually a Wings fan. We'll have a lot of cap space next offseason. Orpik's contract is one year shorter than Ericsson's. Hronek and Cholo will take Kronwall's and Orpik's roster spots when their contracts expire. Plus I just really want Ericsson off the team. Nyquist is in his final year and will be on the trade market all year, (he's worth about a second and third round pick). Wings get a young back up with a lot of promise who can challenge Howard. This trade is about getting the 1b goalie we need and making roster spots for Hicketts and Rasmussen.

Ericsson has been pretty good this season actually. I would rather just wait another year and sign a good goalie in free agency. You can get a 1st or 2nd round pick for Nyqust at the trade deadline.

Nyquist is worth about a second and third round pick. A 2nd + PG is about what he's worth. Just a standard expiring contract deal. Orpik has one year left, Riggy has two left. Orpik retires after his contract is over and our younger Dmen take his roster spot next season.

This makes sense. I think Grubauer's worth more than Nyquist, but Ericsson's cheaper than Orpik, so it mostly comes out in the wash. I don't think the Caps throw in a pick, but maybe a prospect they've given up on?

My reasoning: Grubauer's GAA and spct tend to be better than Holtby's each year for the last couple years. Holtby holds the all time record with a 48 win season and is worth 6M+ per year. Nyquist is a slightly above average second line winger,but not necessarily an upgrade over Burakovsky or Vrana next year, if they keep improving.

He's having a good season by his standards. He's still screening our goalies, turning over the puck in our zone, and deflecting the puck into our net. Nyquist has similar stats to Marcus Johansson who got a 2nd and 3rd from New Jersey. Grabner who has better numbers the last 2 seasons than Nyquist didn't get a 1st round pick. So I'd say a 2nd and PG (I can never spell his last name right) is fair for Nyquist.

Nyquist is worth a 2nd+3rd at full value not at almost half value off, He's easily worth a late 1st with close to half retention Either way Nyquist is worth a 2nd+B prospect.

He has one year left. It's almost a non-factor, except that it may motivate the Caps to trade away a really good young goalie.

I'm not sure the Caps consider this,becuase Nyquist just isn't how they want to spend all the cap space they can get after overpaying to trade away Orpik, but I happen to think Ericsson is decent, and with this trade coming out roughly salary neutral, I think they gamble on Nyquist and see if maybe Backstrom can bring something out of him that Zetterberg couldn't? Doesn't sound like a sure thing, but if you take the pick out it's an even deal.

I guess one year of Orpik is fine if it means getting rid of two years of Ericsson, And i'm a big Phillip Grubauer fan would love to see Detroit trade for his RFA rights. Even if it meant buying out Howard and going with Grubauer as our #1 goalie.

That saves Washington 3 million in cap space. Honestly Nyquist is a nice compliment player to have. He would play very well with Backstrom or Kuznetsov, but he'll disappear if he's on the 3rd line. Would throwing a Detroit 4th round pick work? or switching the 2nd round pick to a 3rd? What prospects did you have in mind?

Wings are actually doing well cap wise, even after signing Larkin long term and our other RFA's on bridge contracts. Wings wouldn't need to buy out Howard. Tatar, Mrazek, and Green took up a lot of space.

The thing is, I think Islanders, Coyotes and Blues fans are talking about trading a decent forward prospect and a pick for Grubauer. Hurricanes fans have signed off on Orpik for Kruger, which gives the Caps 2.5M of cap space and a struggling Swede who might work well with Backstrom, or who can be moderately effective in a checking role. Does this mean the actual teams would do these things? Who knows. But in this fantasy escape world of CapFriendly, you've already been publicly outbid, maybe not in absolute value, but in marginal value to the Caps.

Your description of Nyquist is fair, and it's also my description of Burakovsky, Vrana, Wilson, Oshie, Connolly, Smith-Pelly, and (to a lesser extent) Chiasson (who had 25 points last year in a third line role and has disappeared on Washington's fourth line this year). Of those guys, Oshie got top line time last year and Wilson has it this year. The rest haven't caught a whiff, so their stats are low and their contracts are low. That allows Washington to field a really deep group of wings. They've got Walker, Gersich and Barber at the almost-ready-for-the-NHL level. And they don't have much cap space. If Nyquist were a two-way center who could counter Brassard, the Caps would throw in a 1st. But I don't think Detroit is looking to trade away any centers, and I don't think many exist who are better than Brassard in the playoffs and aren't already in Pittsburgh.

Orpik is old and slow and expensive, but he contributes something no other Cap brings: four hits per game in the playoffs, average, career, and pretty much every year. Over a seven game series, that can build a lot of momentum. Nyquist is equally expensive, and brings something the Caps have in spades. He might be the best and most established player in the trade, but in Washington he'd be a slight upgrade over Burakovsky, keeping Burakovsky toiling in obscurity in the bottom six. Since Bura is a recent Caps first round pick, and since he got fifteen goals last year and is a healthy scratch a fair amount this year.... I just don't see the Caps wanting an older, more expensive replacement.

The reason the Caps consider trading Grubauer at all is fear of losing him to an expansion team. So ideally they'd trade him to a team with no goalies whose contracts have positive value, and get back future potential.

Trading Orpik for ericsson is tempting becauase Ericsson has good corsi relative to zone starts and a lower cap hit, but it means the Caps give up Orpik's toughness and physical presence in the playoffs, which are pretty well unmatched. Again, they'd consider it in order to re-sign Carlson and have enough cap space.

Trading Grubauer for Nyquist isn't ideal. It probably raises their cap number (although who knows how much Grubauer gets as an RFA this summer) and adds to another position of strength. If you could teach Nyquist to play center or right defense, I'd be all about him.

Makes sense. Thanks for the input. I remember Trotz talking about how he wanted more forward depth and speed. I figured with the retained salaries, Washington could save some cap space. Nyquist has 20 goals while playing with Zetterberg, he would probably push 30 goals with Kuzy or Backstrom. I also thought it would actually benefit Bura and Vrana since Nyquist only has a year left on his contract and those two could play a more sheltered role. My original thinking was Nyquist (with RS) could be a cheap short term replacement for MoJo. Nyquist can sort of play center, but better to leave him on the wing. My gut feeling says Blues keep the same goalies and Arizona either keeps Raanta or goes with Keumper (Keumper and Grubauer would be an interesting tandem though). Damn I forgot about NYI, they'll probably go out of their way to get Lehner, Raanta, or Grubauer. Maybe Columbus will bite with Korpisalo, because their powerplay is pretty bad and he would be tied with Atkinson for 2nd in goals on the team.

You know, this offer isn't as bad as I thought, for Washington, based on one stat--even strength goals (https://www.hockey-reference.com/teams/WSH/2018.html). Kuznetsov is 2nd on the Caps with 18. Nyquist has 18, after only totalling 33 in the last three years. Of course he came out of nowhere and scored 22 of his career high 28 at evens in 2013-14, but had pretty much fallen off after that, to levels below Connolly and Burakovsky. He seems to be back, at the moment. Neat.

And yeah, Barber remains more or less NHL ready, but if the Caps add Nyquist, he isn't making the leap next year, either.