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Once Holland decides we're out of it

Créé par: kww3
Équipe: 2017-18 Red Wings de Detroit
Date de création initiale: 17 janv. 2018
Publié: 17 janv. 2018
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
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DET
  1. Condra, Erik
  2. Volkov, Alexander
  3. Choix de 2e ronde en 2018 (TBL)
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2018 2nd round pick (TBL) becomes 2018 1st round pick (TBL) if Tampa reaches Eastern Conference Finals AND Green plays in at least 50% of Tampa's playoff games.
TBL
  1. Green, Mike (3 000 000 $ retained)
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  1. Choix de 3e ronde en 2018 (NSH)
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TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2375 000 000 $68 476 943 $457 500 $857 500 $6 523 057 $
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4 800 000 $4 800 000 $
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925 000 $925 000 $ (Bonis de performance650 000 $$650K)
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863 333 $863 333 $
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1 387 500 $1 387 500 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
6 083 333 $6 083 333 $
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3 325 000 $3 325 000 $
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4 250 000 $4 250 000 $
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5 250 000 $5 250 000 $
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650 000 $650 000 $
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661 667 $661 667 $ (Bonis de performance207 500 $$208K)
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3 850 000 $3 850 000 $
C, AG, AD
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1 800 000 $1 800 000 $
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700 000 $700 000 $
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5 291 666 $5 291 666 $
G
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4 250 000 $4 250 000 $
DG
NTC
UFA - 3
4 750 000 $4 750 000 $
DG
M-NTC
UFA - 2
2 000 000 $2 000 000 $
G
UFA - 1
636 111 $636 111 $
DG
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812 500 $812 500 $
DD
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750 000 $750 000 $
AD, DD
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Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
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17 janv. 2018 à 15 h 19
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I think that is a fair trade for the Lightning. I know Yzerman loves his Russians so Volkov may not be the forward he lets go but someone along that level could work.
17 janv. 2018 à 15 h 32
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Considering that Tampa is probably prohibited favorites to win the cup this year, Green at $3 million to Tampa for any thing less then their #31 overall pick isn't happening.
17 janv. 2018 à 15 h 38
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Quoting: Larkinisking
Considering that Tampa is probably prohibited favorites to win the cup this year, Green at $3 million to Tampa for any thing less then their #31 overall pick isn't happening.


Not even if they include Volkov who in his own right was a 2nd rounder just last year? I think you are getting hung up on 1sts vs 2nds here. Two years ago a 31st pick WAS a 2nd round pick! Volkov is a pretty nice prospect that could be a good one and add a late 2nd rounder to that and I think its pretty close to a 31st overall pick.
17 janv. 2018 à 15 h 51
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Quoting: F50marco
Not even if they include Volkov who in his own right was a 2nd rounder just last year? I think you are getting hung up on 1sts vs 2nds here. Two years ago a 31st pick WAS a 2nd round pick! Volkov is a pretty nice prospect that could be a good one and add a late 2nd rounder to that and I think its pretty close to a 31st overall pick.


Volkov+2018 2nd round pick would be a sweet deal but Holland and Yzerman connection Holland will probably want his 1st round pick back from the Quincey deal.
17 janv. 2018 à 16 h 1
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Quoting: Larkinisking
Volkov+2018 2nd round pick would be a sweet deal but Holland and Yzerman connection Holland will probably want his 1st round pick back from the Quincey deal.


Yes, I'm sure that an almost 6-year-old trade is the driving force behind Ken Holland's decision making. Are you seriously using that to evaluate trade value? Volkov is a very solid center prospect (which Tampa is loaded with and Detroit desperately needs). Combine that with a 2nd rounder that has a good chance to become a 1st and I think you have fair market value. Maybe you could squeeze another mid-round pick out of Tampa but I think you should be content with this type of return.

Personally I'd rather have a 20 yr old center who is already putting up good numbers in the AHL over the last pick in the first round any day of the week.
17 janv. 2018 à 16 h 6
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Quoting: boomkk47
I think that is a fair trade for the Lightning. I know Yzerman loves his Russians so Volkov may not be the forward he lets go but someone along that level could work.


Thanks for the feedback boom. My thought process was a solid center prospect + good pick would be fair return for Green as a rental. I just chose Volkov because (from what I've heard from Tampa fans) he's not quite as highly thought of as Howden. I would take Howden in place of Volkov...just was shooting for a good center
17 janv. 2018 à 16 h 49
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Quoting: kww3
Thanks for the feedback boom. My thought process was a solid center prospect + good pick would be fair return for Green as a rental. I just chose Volkov because (from what I've heard from Tampa fans) he's not quite as highly thought of as Howden. I would take Howden in place of Volkov...just was shooting for a good center


If it's a center you are wanting to get, then Volkov is not your man. Volkov is a RW. Bolts center prospects ranking in my opinion are:
Howden-Cirelli-Stephens and then in any order: Peca, Colton, Somppi, Lipanov, Verhaeghe.
17 janv. 2018 à 17 h 2
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Quoting: boomkk47
If it's a center you are wanting to get, then Volkov is not your man. Volkov is a RW. Bolts center prospects ranking in my opinion are:
Howden-Cirelli-Stephens and then in any order: Peca, Colton, Somppi, Lipanov, Verhaeghe.


Interesting! Thank you! Would you consider Howden in any Green deal? I've always had the impression that him and Point are pretty untouchable (at least for rentals like Green would be)

Also, I would still take Volkov because in reality the Wings just need forwards in general.
17 janv. 2018 à 17 h 21
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Quoting: kww3
Interesting! Thank you! Would you consider Howden in any Green deal? I've always had the impression that him and Point are pretty untouchable (at least for rentals like Green would be)

Also, I would still take Volkov because in reality the Wings just need forwards in general.


I personally wouldn't trade Howden. He is the Bolts #1 fwd prospect so I doubt he and Foote (#1defense) would be included in a deal for a rental and we can't sign Green longterm. It's hard to get a read on Yzerman though.

Volkov is doing well in the AHL and at adjusting to North America but still a wildcard as of potential. If I was Detriot I'd ask for Katchouk (LW) or Raddysh (RW). They probably wont be NHL ready till the start of 2019 but have top 6 potential and tearing up the CHL. You probably wont get your 1st round pick in return though.
17 janv. 2018 à 17 h 36
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I like the pick and that it's conditional. It sounds like a Chiarelli trade.

I'm not sure why you want those prospects. Volkov was just drafted so theres almost no chance he's traded unless they consider them crap. Try 2 lower end prospects imo.

I'd do something like Green for Conditional 1st + Mitchell Stephens + Otto Somppi .... if you were wanting to target possible Centers.
17 janv. 2018 à 20 h 31
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Quoting: FryesLeapMaine
I like the pick and that it's conditional. It sounds like a Chiarelli trade.

I'm not sure why you want those prospects. Volkov was just drafted so theres almost no chance he's traded unless they consider them crap. Try 2 lower end prospects imo.

I'd do something like Green for Conditional 1st + Mitchell Stephens + Otto Somppi .... if you were wanting to target possible Centers.


I think I’d be happy with Stephens + conditional 1st. Thanks for the input!
17 janv. 2018 à 20 h 34
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Quoting: boomkk47
I personally wouldn't trade Howden. He is the Bolts #1 fwd prospect so I doubt he and Foote (#1defense) would be included in a deal for a rental and we can't sign Green longterm. It's hard to get a read on Yzerman though.

Volkov is doing well in the AHL and at adjusting to North America but still a wildcard as of potential. If I was Detriot I'd ask for Katchouk (LW) or Raddysh (RW). They probably wont be NHL ready till the start of 2019 but have top 6 potential and tearing up the CHL. You probably wont get your 1st round pick in return though.


I definitely like both those wingers. They seem like B+/A- type prospects. Maybe one of them plus a 2nd rounder? (No condition on the pick if they’re higher end prospects)
18 janv. 2018 à 9 h 47
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Quoting: kww3
I definitely like both those wingers. They seem like B+/A- type prospects. Maybe one of them plus a 2nd rounder? (No condition on the pick if they’re higher end prospects)


Ya I consider them as B+/A- prospects. If I'm the bolts I'm going to try to NOT move them and trying to sell Detroit on Erne plus a C prospect (Yan, Lipanov, Colton, Verheaghe) with that 2nd round conditional pick. It'll be interesting to see IF the trade happens, who is involved. I believe the extent of the bidding war will dictate the cost. I'd be find giving up anyone but Howden, Foote and Hajek (and Cirelli but that's just because he's my favorite prospect).
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