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ENOUGH WITH THE KREJCI TRADES

Créé par: Bruinsdiehard
Équipe: 2018-19 Bruins de Boston
Date de création initiale: 25 juin 2018
Publié: 25 juin 2018
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My God, why is every Bruins fan tripping over themselves to trade this guy in almost every Tavares scenario. Doesn't anyone want to see what a Bergeron-Tavares-Krejci lineup would look like????? If the Bruins are miraculously fortunate enough to actually sign Tavares, why would Krejci be waiving his NMC to leave the team?

And I have a hard time believing Backes, who has never even played in the SCF, much less won a Cup, would want to move his NMC either after seeing the Bruins sign Tavares. Any he's not going to waive his NMC to just go to "any team". The only team I could see him doing that for would be his old team in St Louis. I don't know why they would ever be interested in taking him back, but their beat reporter Strickland has been tweeting about how much "interest" Backes has been generating all last week. So we shall see if he was actually onto something, or likely full of it.
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25 juin 2018 à 9 h 51
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Well, because unless they move Rask the only real way to make this happen is to Move one of those guys. There are also multiple reports that they are trying or at least listening to offers on both.

To answer your questions on why would they wave :
- Nobody really wants to play where they are not wanted. Most guys who have NTC's end up waiving. Some don't, most do. Plus you know the team trading for you wants you. So Ego, pride, call it what you will.
- Krejci's NMC goes to half the teams next off season. I am certain there are teams on that list he would not want to go to under any circumstance. Let's say there are 10 cities he would actually want to play in. From a very outside point of view The Original 6 and then 4 more of personal preference. That leaves 5 places he cannot eliminate, that he has no desire to go to. That might not be a risk he is willing to take. If they agree to deal him somewhere he wants to go opposed to somewhere he cannot eliminate.
- Backes - Same deal, although his is more limited. He seems like a pride guy though & also has to know he would be a buyout candidate.

Especially when Families factor in. Just an example that was brought up a lot before Hanafin was traded. Do you think Krejci's family would rather live in Sunny Raleigh or Calgary? His Wife is from NH and might not want to hop on a six hour flight to see her family. I don't know they would, I am sure he and his family have places they like more than others, just like every person does, but having a say could be worth waiving a year early. Cost of living could also factor in... next contract etc...

IF they were to sign Tavares, Krejci would be gone next off season to clear money to sign kids. There is almost no scenario which he wouldn't be gone. Especially with JFK, Frederic & Studnicka coming up and seeming like they would be viable as 3rd line guys by then.

They could do some things to have all three down the middle, but Krejci might not be all that on board as a 3rd line center as well. If he does want another contract he would need to put up numbers.
25 juin 2018 à 11 h 15
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Quoting: Propeller09

- Nobody really wants to play where they are not wanted. Most guys who have NTC's end up waiving. Some don't, most do. Plus you know the team trading for you wants you. So Ego, pride, call it what you will.


Yes, I agree, but this is somewhat different (certainly in Krejci's case) than telling a player "Hey, you suck, we hate you. Now waive your NTC so you can leave." Krejci doesn't suck, and the Bruins' message to him wouldn't be one of "We don't want you here." It's "We can't afford to have you here" which is ENTIRELY different. Why is it Krejci's responsibility to help the team out of cap mismanagement? He's spent more than a decade in this organization, and he'd be leaving to go to a team that likely wouldn't have nearly as good a chance of competing for the Cup as Boston would (if they sign JT).

Quoting: Propeller09

- Krejci's NMC goes to half the teams next off season. I am certain there are teams on that list he would not want to go to under any circumstance. Let's say there are 10 cities he would actually want to play in. From a very outside point of view The Original 6 and then 4 more of personal preference. That leaves 5 places he cannot eliminate, that he has no desire to go to. That might not be a risk he is willing to take. If they agree to deal him somewhere he wants to go opposed to somewhere he cannot eliminate.


So clearly this is all speculation on your part about where he would or wouldn't want to go. The idea that he would waive his NMC to go "where he wants" assumes that the team he'd want to go to would also actually want him, and would be able to make a deal for him.

The problem with all this is that Krejci has already said where he wants to go:
http://www.metrowestdailynews.com/article/20140908/BLOGS/140907114

Twice.

https://www.masslive.com/bruins/index.ssf/2016/04/boston_bruins_injuries_david_krejci_to_have_hip_surgery_plans_to_return_to_czech_republic_after_cont.html

He wants to stay in Boston, and then when his contract is up he wants to go home to the Czech Republic. There is no way he is waiving his NMC to go anywhere and upset the comfortable life he's got in Boston. As for the following season, yes, he could block a trade to half the league. He could still really screw with the Bruins plans to trade him with that kind of power. He could announce to any team trying to trade him that he would retire if they did trade for him. You think teams would even dare risking assets in a trade for him at that point? Either way, spending 2 years vs 3 in a new city is a better proposition no matter how you slice it, so the Bruins will undoubtedly have to wait until next year to trade him.

Quoting: Propeller09

- Backes - Same deal, although his is more limited. He seems like a pride guy though & also has to know he would be a buyout candidate.


THE BRUINS CANNOT BUYOUT DAVID BACKES' CONTRACT. Please! Go and use the buyout calculator on this site and see what would happen if they did. They would get better relief from burying him in the minors at that rate.

And as unlikely a scenario it would be for Krejci to waive his NMC this year, it seems even more unlikely that Backes would waive his to leave a Stanley Cup favorite (if they sign JT) when he has never even competed for the Cup in his career! I don't actually believe he would waive his NMC to go back to St. Louis (or Minnesota, as others have suggested). And he certainly wouldn't be waiving it to go to some crapbag team that would take him on as a salary dump. I do agree that the "pride" thing plays a bigger role with Backes than Krejci, because it seems crystal clear Backes hasn't lived up to his contract with the Bruins. And there is more of an argument to be made that he "sucks" than there is with Krejci.

Quoting: Propeller09


IF they were to sign Tavares, Krejci would be gone next off season to clear money to sign kids. There is almost no scenario which he wouldn't be gone.


I generally agree, although I would rather they make that decision a year from now instead of right this very moment. Maybe one of Donato, Heinen, McAvoy, Carlo etc have a really bad season that tanks their value and the Bruins come away with a cheaper contract than we are thinking right now. If they sign Tavares, keep Krejci this year, and do the Backes trade I suggested, they would have 15M in cap space going into the 2019 offseason. That also assumes the cap stays where it, which is highly unlikely. The Bruins also have leverage with all of those players in that they are all RFAs, none of whom have arbitration rights. Look at what the Lightning did with Kucherov in his last contract. They force fed him an AAV that made him end up being a real steal, only because they literally had no more money left to give after re-signing Stamkos. But nobody talks about Kucherov being a malcontent because of it. He's just looking to maximize his value on his next contract. So why wouldn't the Bruins be able to do something like that? The way people talk, it's like they think the Bruins will be obligated to pay Donato and Heinen 5M each or something. I'd be shocked if they got more than 3M AAV in their next contracts, and even that would be generous for a guy like Donato who would have only had 1.25 years in the league.

If the Bruins do find themselves in the 2019 offseason still with Krejci on the books and needing cap space, they could buyout Krejci's contract. When you're done looking at the Backes scenario, check that one out too. That is way more financially feasible.
25 juin 2018 à 11 h 42
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Quoting: Bruinsdiehard
Yes, I agree, but this is somewhat different (certainly in Krejci's case) than telling a player "Hey, you suck, we hate you. Now waive your NTC so you can leave." Krejci doesn't suck, and the Bruins' message to him wouldn't be one of "We don't want you here." It's "We can't afford to have you here" which is ENTIRELY different. Why is it Krejci's responsibility to help the team out of cap mismanagement? He's spent more than a decade in this organization, and he'd be leaving to go to a team that likely wouldn't have nearly as good a chance of competing for the Cup as Boston would (if they sign JT).



So clearly this is all speculation on your part about where he would or wouldn't want to go. The idea that he would waive his NMC to go "where he wants" assumes that the team he'd want to go to would also actually want him, and would be able to make a deal for him.

The problem with all this is that Krejci has already said where he wants to go:
http://www.metrowestdailynews.com/article/20140908/BLOGS/140907114

Twice.

https://www.masslive.com/bruins/index.ssf/2016/04/boston_bruins_injuries_david_krejci_to_have_hip_surgery_plans_to_return_to_czech_republic_after_cont.html

He wants to stay in Boston, and then when his contract is up he wants to go home to the Czech Republic. There is no way he is waiving his NMC to go anywhere and upset the comfortable life he's got in Boston. As for the following season, yes, he could block a trade to half the league. He could still really screw with the Bruins plans to trade him with that kind of power. He could announce to any team trying to trade him that he would retire if they did trade for him. You think teams would even dare risking assets in a trade for him at that point? Either way, spending 2 years vs 3 in a new city is a better proposition no matter how you slice it, so the Bruins will undoubtedly have to wait until next year to trade him.



THE BRUINS CANNOT BUYOUT DAVID BACKES' CONTRACT. Please! Go and use the buyout calculator on this site and see what would happen if they did. They would get better relief from burying him in the minors at that rate.

And as unlikely a scenario it would be for Krejci to waive his NMC this year, it seems even more unlikely that Backes would waive his to leave a Stanley Cup favorite (if they sign JT) when he has never even competed for the Cup in his career! I don't actually believe he would waive his NMC to go back to St. Louis (or Minnesota, as others have suggested). And he certainly wouldn't be waiving it to go to some crapbag team that would take him on as a salary dump. I do agree that the "pride" thing plays a bigger role with Backes than Krejci, because it seems crystal clear Backes hasn't lived up to his contract with the Bruins. And there is more of an argument to be made that he "sucks" than there is with Krejci.



I generally agree, although I would rather they make that decision a year from now instead of right this very moment. Maybe one of Donato, Heinen, McAvoy, Carlo etc have a really bad season that tanks their value and the Bruins come away with a cheaper contract than we are thinking right now. If they sign Tavares, keep Krejci this year, and do the Backes trade I suggested, they would have 15M in cap space going into the 2019 offseason. That also assumes the cap stays where it, which is highly unlikely. The Bruins also have leverage with all of those players in that they are all RFAs, none of whom have arbitration rights. Look at what the Lightning did with Kucherov in his last contract. They force fed him an AAV that made him end up being a real steal, only because they literally had no more money left to give after re-signing Stamkos. But nobody talks about Kucherov being a malcontent because of it. He's just looking to maximize his value on his next contract. So why wouldn't the Bruins be able to do something like that? The way people talk, it's like they think the Bruins will be obligated to pay Donato and Heinen 5M each or something. I'd be shocked if they got more than 3M AAV in their next contracts, and even that would be generous for a guy like Donato who would have only had 1.25 years in the league.

If the Bruins do find themselves in the 2019 offseason still with Krejci on the books and needing cap space, they could buyout Krejci's contract. When you're done looking at the Backes scenario, check that one out too. That is way more financially feasible.


I don't think they will buyout either, as they both have some value. Backes hasn't been as bad as everyone says and for all the heat krejci takes, he is still a #1 center on 1/3rd of the teams in the league. I could be wrong, but Krejci only said anyhting about going back to CZECH republic to end his career once, and DJ Bean was referencing that. At the time, he was not married and did not have kids. He also mentioned it in context to winning many cups. Here is what he said.

"In seven years from now, if we’ll have what we’re trying to achieve, then it’s going to be an easier decision to go back home. I’ve always wanted to finish my career back home in my hometown....But that’s the reason why I signed here. I believe we can win [the Stanley Cup] not once, but more times. So, it’s just up to us here and you know, we’ll see what happens. So, seven years is a long way from now and I don’t want to think too much ahead.”

not exactly concrete. He was married shortly after signing contract and now has a young child. Things change.

I guess we'll see.

You asked why, I gave you reasons. I am not saying it will happen, but it could. It's not that ridiculous.
25 juin 2018 à 12 h 17
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And, I wasn't making any assumptions on where he would end up. I gave you a random scenario on how something could play out. Within in that assumptions on how things could play, yes. Maybe he would be fine with going to 15 places, but I think a safe assumption is people in general would like to have more control, so in this scenario 10 options would be better. If your place of employment said give me 10 places we could move you or give me 15, am wrong to assume the 10 would include your TOP choices. I really don't think he has as much power as you. Half the league still leaves a lot of teams. He is a good player most teams would want. Bruins eat 2m and sent a zboril (example) with him. They could get a 1st rd pick back. 2 years @5.25m is a good deal for him.

Again - when was the last time you really heard about a guy holding his team hostage. Yes it happens (Elder) but it's rare. It's not about doing anyone favors, it's human nature to want to be where you are wanted. I know they wouldn't sell it that way, but it is what it is. If your work was looking to hire your replacement and asking you to take a lesser role, you'd probably be ok as with it if your competitor stole you away.
25 juin 2018 à 12 h 24
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Quoting: Propeller09
I could be wrong, but Krejci only said anyhting about going back to CZECH republic to end his career once, and DJ Bean was referencing that.


I literally provided you with the links to BOTH times lol? So thanks for reading my post.

What you quoted was when he signed his contract in 2014. He spoke about it again to DJ Bean after the 2015-2016 season (AFTER he was married with a kid). Here is the link to that...........:
https://weei.radio.com/blogs/dj-bean/david-krejci-respects-pavel-datsyuks-decision-plans-finish-career-czech-republic

Quoting: Propeller09

You asked why, I gave you reasons. I am not saying it will happen, but it could. It's not that ridiculous.


You did, and I'm saying your reason's are not convincing at all. Bottom line, if someone forced you to bet all you had that Krejci would waive his NMC this year if the Bruins sign JT, would you honestly bet yes? For me, it would be a hard no. And yes it is pretty ridiculous. Krejci waiving his NMC is more ridiculous to me than any of the scenarios floating around out there (including signing JT, which is also pretty ridiculous).

And one final point on this (even though THN sucks), it's interesting to recall how few players wanted to waive their NMCs during the expansion draft. That speaks volumes about how likely it is Krejci would waive his NMC.
http://www.thehockeynews.com/news/article/why-we-can-t-blame-players-who-refuse-to-waive-no-movement-clauses
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