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Tim murray - Bad GM

Créé par: Captain_Okie
Équipe: 2017-18 Sabres de Buffalo
Date de création initiale: 1 déc. 2017
Publié: 1 déc. 2017
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Légende
Gaucher
Équipe initiale
Exempté du ballottage
Droitier
Position
Clause d'échange
Max. Bonis de perf.
Statut à l’échéance du contrat
Terme restant
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Exempté du ballottageMcDavid, Connor
12 500 000 $ (Bonis de performance250 000 $)
C
NMC
UFA - 5
Description
We never sign moulson back and we sign O'Reilly to a better contract
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
UFAANSCAP HIT
O'Reilly, Ryan
67 000 000 $
Transactions
1.
BUF
  1. Spooner, Ryan
Détails additionnels:
2nd round pick
BOS
    Chris Stewart

    This trade could have happened but Murray didnt pull the trigger. So we ended up getting less
    2.
    BUF
    1. Pearson, Tanner
    Détails additionnels:
    M. Greene
    1st round pick
    3rd round pick
    LAK
    1. Moulson, Matt
    Détails additionnels:
    C. Ehroff

    Could have been a deadline trade back when moulson had 1 year left. We could have gotten this but Murray again failed to pull the trigger
    3.
    BUF
      B. McNabb
      J. Parker
      2nd round pick
      2nd round pick
      LAK
      1. Fasching, Hudson
      Détails additionnels:
      N. Deslauriers

      Worst trade in my opinion
      4.
      VGK
        From last trade
        5.
        BUF
          2nd round pick
          6.
          BUF
            3Rd round pick
            NSH
              J. Vesey rights
              7.
              BUF
              1. Pysyk, Mark
              Détails additionnels:
              2nd round pick
              3rd round pick
              FLA
                Kulikov
                2nd round pick
                8.
                BUF
                1. Armia, Joel
                2. Lemieux, Brendan
                3. Myers, Tyler
                Détails additionnels:
                D. Stafford
                1st round pick
                WPG
                1. Bogosian, Zach
                2. Kane, Evander
                3. Kasdorf, Jason
                Détails additionnels:
                Say what you want about kane but he didnt start to really produce until this year. Plus adding bogosian and giving up that 1st makes this trade really bad for us
                9.
                TBL
                1. Nylander, Alexander
                Détails additionnels:
                8th pick in the 2016 NHL draft. We needed a LHD there was one but Murray said nah...
                10.
                OTT
                  We trade a 2nd and a 3rd instead of a 1st for Lehner
                  Rachats de contrats
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                  TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
                  2675 000 000 $65 252 500 $0 $8 250 000 $9 747 500 $
                  Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
                  3 750 000 $3 750 000 $
                  AG
                  UFA - 4
                  925 000 $925 000 $ (Bonis de performance2 850 000 $$3M)
                  C
                  UFA - 1
                  894 167 $894 167 $ (Bonis de performance2 650 000 $$3M)
                  AD
                  UFA - 1
                  1 600 000 $1 600 000 $
                  AG, C
                  UFA - 2
                  O'Reilly, Ryan
                  7 000 000 $7 000 000 $
                  6 000 000 $6 000 000 $
                  AD
                  NMC
                  UFA - 6
                  2 825 000 $2 825 000 $
                  C, AG
                  UFA - 1
                  925 000 $925 000 $ (Bonis de performance850 000 $$850K)
                  C, AD
                  UFA - 2
                  5 600 000 $5 600 000 $
                  AD
                  M-NTC, NMC
                  UFA - 2
                  1 150 000 $1 150 000 $
                  AG
                  UFA - 1
                  1 475 000 $1 475 000 $
                  C, AG
                  UFA - 2
                  925 000 $925 000 $
                  AD, AG
                  UFA - 1
                  839 167 $839 167 $ (Bonis de performance200 000 $$200K)
                  AG, AD
                  UFA - 2
                  700 000 $700 000 $
                  C, AG
                  UFA - 1
                  950 000 $950 000 $
                  AG
                  UFA - 1
                  Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
                  894 166 $894 166 $ (Bonis de performance850 000 $$850K)
                  DG/DD
                  UFA - 3
                  5 400 000 $5 400 000 $
                  DD
                  UFA - 5
                  4 000 000 $4 000 000 $
                  G
                  UFA - 1
                  2 000 000 $2 000 000 $
                  DG
                  UFA - 3
                  5 500 000 $5 500 000 $
                  DD
                  UFA - 2
                  2 500 000 $2 500 000 $
                  G
                  UFA - 1
                  1 600 000 $1 600 000 $
                  DG/DD
                  UFA - 2
                  2 733 333 $2 733 333 $
                  DD
                  UFA - 3
                  2 400 000 $2 400 000 $
                  DG/DD
                  UFA - 2
                  1 700 000 $1 700 000 $
                  DG
                  UFA - 1
                  925 000 $925 000 $ (Bonis de performance850 000 $$850K)
                  DG
                  UFA - 1
                  Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
                  1 875 000 $1 875 000 $
                  C
                  UFA - 6

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                  1 déc. 2017 à 10 h 30
                  #1
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                  Do you have any sources on these deals that could have been?

                  Outside of that, hindsight is 20/20. You'll drive yourself crazy going back in time like this.
                  1 déc. 2017 à 10 h 55
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                  I liked murray more than most. I think the post mortem is misleading. A good plan with bad results gets horrible reviews. He wanted big and tough with elite talent at the top. He decided to put more weight on speed halfway through- because thats how the penalties and league were trending. Got reinhart at 2 in what looks like a disappointing class, got eichel instead of mcdavid. Got okposo as buffalos annual second tier overpay in ufa. Bylsma instead of babcock etc. The only move that i really hated was lehner- but he chose to get a guy that he scouted that would be under team control, that was cheapish. The rumor was, we were bidding against edmonton for lehner, pick 31 wasnt enough, edmonton offered 16. So we gave 21 and took back legwand which beat edmontons offer. Edmonton took Talbot i believe which has gone no better than lehner. The pysyk trade got us asplund, so we have no idea if thats a win/loss yet. Last i heard on mcnabb was- when he was away from doughty he was third pair at best, and he was a healthy scratch. Not sure how hes doing in vagas. Murray refused to overpay for help on d, botterill was able to acquire replacement level d on the cheap, but the results are the same. Gonna need some luck going forward, we havent had much break our way.
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                  1 déc. 2017 à 11 h 20
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                  Modifié 1 déc. 2017 à 14 h 26
                  Quoting: sabres89
                  I liked murray more than most. I think the post mortem is misleading. A good plan with bad results gets horrible reviews. He wanted big and tough with elite talent at the top. He decided to put more weight on speed halfway through- because thats how the penalties and league were trending. Got reinhart at 2 in what looks like a disappointing class, got eichel instead of mcdavid. Got okposo as buffalos annual second tier overpay in ufa. Bylsma instead of babcock etc. The only move that i really hated was lehner- but he chose to get a guy that he scouted that would be under team control, that was cheapish. The rumor was, we were bidding against edmonton for lehner, pick 31 wasnt enough, edmonton offered 16. So we gave 21 and took back legwand which beat edmontons offer. Edmonton took Talbot i believe which has gone no better than lehner. The pysyk trade got us asplund, so we have no idea if thats a win/loss yet. Last i heard on mcnabb was- when he was away from doughty he was third pair at best, and he was a healthy scratch. Not sure how hes doing in vagas. Murray refused to overpay for help on d, botterill was able to acquire replacement level d on the cheap, but the results are the same. Gonna need some luck going forward, we havent had much break our way.


                  Dlo and fasching are not good and mcnabb and the 2 seconds would be better. I still think reinhart can be a 65 point man he just needs to develop. Sabres were also in on talbot we offered the 1st for him so it looked to be it was between us for those 2. Its not Tim murrays fault babcock didnt come here. And its not like he got a choice between Eichel and mcdavid. The way I see the pysyk deal is that it was one for one. The picks were to move up so we could have left the D out of it.
                  1 déc. 2017 à 14 h 24
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                  Quoting: SwissCheese77
                  Do you have any sources on these deals that could have been?

                  Outside of that, hindsight is 20/20. You'll drive yourself crazy going back in time like this.


                  I definitely remember the Stewart one but just google search them and they will pop up
                  1 déc. 2017 à 20 h 1
                  #5
                  Shibbal18
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                  Fasching is 22 and still looks promising. Everyone wants to jump down his throat because he didnt immediately stick in the NHL which no one promised he would. Sabres fans are willing to make excuses for Bailey and Baptiste, but havent given Fasching a chance. He's a GMTM type, so i dont know how he'll fit on a Botterill team now, but to say hes not good based on his rookie year in the AHL where he got hurt is asinine. He has 14 G 21 P in 57 games in the AHL. At 22.
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