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Forum: Armchair-GM7 juin 2022 à 18 h 43

Sujet: Devils Trade For Pasta

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>bhavikp27</b></div><div>Change the 3rd/4th pieces or Pastrnak can just stay in Boston.</div></div>

"They would want a 2023 second-rounder also. It wouldn’t end there. A young NHL player"

There's your3rd/4th pieces. Boqvist is a 30 to 40 point young center with potential to get a bit better. As a 4th piece, that's pretty damn good. You could swap that out for any prospect not named Luke Hughes if you'd prefer.

Forum: Armchair-GM7 juin 2022 à 18 h 35

Sujet: Devils Trade For Pasta

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>HeadHighSauce</b></div><div>Yeah so why would you use an obviously non-comparable situation here? You're not making your argument any stronger. "top 28 protection" was functionally the condition on that pick lmao

TDL deals when you know those picks are not lottery are non-comparable.

Reinhart, Eichel, Karlsson, Duchene etc are the comparable here and those types of trades are never unprotected firsts. Top 5 protection after the 22 draft is perfectly reasonable.</div></div>

Eichel and Reinhart were top 10 protected too. That seems to be a baseline here. Top 5 is pretty generous. Plus I don't think this Devils team would pick top 5 anyways lol

Forum: Armchair-GM7 juin 2022 à 18 h 33

Sujet: Devils Trade For Pasta

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>ON3M4N</b></div><div>That's not a protection, that's a condition lol</div></div>

Those picks aren't lottery picks

Forum: Armchair-GM7 juin 2022 à 18 h 31

Sujet: Devils Trade For Pasta

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>ON3M4N</b></div><div>

No way in hell is Boston trading Pasta only to have to wait till next years draft to make a pick that is Top 5 protected</div></div>

Well it doesn't seem like they're gonna trade him before this years draft, so if they want a 1st back it's gonna be 2023.

Forum: Armchair-GM7 juin 2022 à 18 h 20

Sujet: Devils Trade For Pasta

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>bhavikp27</b></div><div>Not really sure why there is Lucic comparison but whatever. Holtz is a good start but no protection on the 1st if Boqvist and the 2nd are the other pieces.</div></div>

The Lucic comparison is from the linked Athletic article where they talk about what Lucic got as a return. It's the context to how they got this "A 2023 first-rounder would be nonnegotiable. They would want a 2023 second-rounder also. It wouldn’t end there. A young NHL player and high-end prospect would round out the package."

Highly doubt any team trades an unprotected 1st, even for someone as good as Pasta.

Forum: Armchair-GM7 juin 2022 à 18 h 16

Sujet: Devils Trade For Pasta

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>HeadHighSauce</b></div><div>I probably go for a cheaper option than Val if this is the trade (plus he hates Ruff).</div></div>

Maybe signing someone like Nino or try to trade for Poolparty instead of signing Val.

Forum: Armchair-GM11 avr. 2022 à 21 h 15

Sujet: Fitz goes brazy

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Carson</b></div><div>Or you being too ignorant and stupid and bully to go to name calling because wild fans aren't going to agree to jersey fans offer for fiala. Get over yourself ass</div></div>

Because you put words in my mouth dude. I didn’t make the trade proposal. I haven’t even said anything about this trade, whether it’s fair or whether the wild should take it. I dont care, they likely get better offers for him anyways.

All I have said in this thread about is Gritsyuk, who he is as a prospect, the season he’s having, how that season compares to other prospects, namely mid to late first rounders, and what the general value of a mid to late first rounder is. You haven’t responded to any of that.

Forum: Armchair-GM11 avr. 2022 à 20 h 25

Sujet: Fitz goes brazy

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Carson</b></div><div>You can keep using faulty logic all you want. You aren't convincing anyone to say yes to your bad trade</div></div>

It’s not my trade. You’re talking about Gritsyuk as if he’s nothing at all when clearly you know nothing about the season he’s putting up. And you clearly don’t understand the value of late first round picks and the propects that get taken in those picks. If you actually compare those prospects at age 20, to Gritsyuk right now, Gritsyuk is right in there with a lot of them. Better than some, not as good as others. Not sure why you think that logic is faulty, other than you being too stupid to understand it

Forum: Armchair-GM11 avr. 2022 à 20 h 20

Sujet: Fitz goes brazy

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>TampaBayLightning22</b></div><div>A lot of those league are more equivalent to the NHL than the KHL is..</div></div>

This could not be more wrong.

The KHL is the closest league skill wise to the NHL. The transition from a larger ice surface to a smaller one is FAR FAR FAR easier than the skill transition from the AHL or any juniors leagues.

Forum: Armchair-GM11 avr. 2022 à 19 h 41

Sujet: Fitz goes brazy

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Carson</b></div><div>You don't know the cap situation. Wild fans and Guerin does. You selected the guy in 5th round and to now say he has the value of 1st round pick is widely exxageraion. So yeah, it's a nothing offer</div></div>

The vast majority of mid to late first round forwards (say 16th to 32nd OA) don’t produce at the rate Gritsyuk is currently producing in their respective leagues at age 20. The valuation of a 1st rounds varies wildly from 1st to 32nd and Gritsyuk currently is, at the very least, close to that 32nd in value of not higher.

I mean just go through the 2019 NHL Draft right now, look at picks 16 through 31. Gritsyuk right now is a better prospect than all but like 7 of them (Newhook, Krebs; Heinola, Bjornfot, Tomasin, McMichael, Pelletier)

Forum: Armchair-GM11 avr. 2022 à 19 h 5

Sujet: Fitz goes brazy

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>mm1010</b></div><div>you know those conversion from KHL to NHL really only hold for all start players right.. ask oilers fans about KHL goalie of the year Mikko koskienen and how that translated over....

And yes I do feel you about the dumber by the message considering every post i have seen agrees with my side and i have not seen one in support of yours.....</div></div>

You have to know that using a goalie as an example of KHL translation is extremely disingenuous.

Gritsyuk is currently having the 5th best age 20 season in KHL History, by points per game. Better than Panarin and Buchnevich, but behind Tarasenko, Kaprizov and Kuzy. He’s an excellent prospect regardless of where he was drafted.

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