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Forum: Armchair-GM20 juin 2021 à 14 h 42
Sujet: Possible OEL Destinations
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>CMcAvoy73</b></div><div>Where does he play? You can make an argument for another team, but where on earth would he play on the bruins? First pair? Not good enough. Second pair? Grzelcyk already does that job. OEL wouldn’t get any powerplay time in boston. Just a horrible fit.

My opinion on OEL hasn’t changed over the last year. I thought when he signed that contract it was bad news.</div></div>

That’s revisionist history, there was no signs of this type of decline when he signed the deal with the coyotes, in fact I remember thinking it was a solid deal because they got him for under what I think he would have commanded on the open market. His use over the last couple of years by Tocchet has been borderline criminal and his numbers have certainly showed it.

If I’m the Bruins I’d pair him with Carlo and let him play offense while Carlo stays at home. I realize that’s kind of Grzelcyk does already but you can start him on the first pair and if OEL shows signs of a breakout you can move him up with McAvoy. Like I said it’s a gamble but if I’m Boston and can make the money work and get him for a reasonable price I’d do it
Forum: Armchair-GM20 juin 2021 à 14 h 27
Sujet: Possible OEL Destinations
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Gofnut999</b></div><div>I doubt it.

Like I said Debrusk 1st 3 years going into arb. .592 ppg. Garland .585.

Nobody was ever giving Boston a 1st and 2 top prospects for him. Doubt anyone will for Garland either. It’s wishful thinking.

If you want Boston to take on OEL without sending Garland as incentive…tall task.</div></div>

That’s fine, when Garland’s name is entered into the OEL trade discussion, the Coyotes hang up. They will be able to find a way to get rid of OEL without giving up their most valuable player.

The difference between Debrusk’s and Garland’s production is that Debrusk was the beneficiary of playing with other good players. That was shown a bit this year when his quality of line mate decreased. Nothing wrong with that, but teams aren’t going to pay the price mentioned above for a complementary player like that. Garland is creating all of his own offense with very limited help. There are teams that will pay that price for a player like that. But again I think it’s a moot point because I don’t think he will be traded.
Forum: Armchair-GM20 juin 2021 à 14 h 22
Sujet: Possible OEL Destinations
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>CMcAvoy73</b></div><div>He doesn’t have any worth in trade. An honest conversation can’t be had until you realize that. It’s a question of how to facilitate a situation where another team can take OEL off the coyotes hands.

For the bruins, sadly, the player makes no sense. That sheltered second pair left shot d man you just described…the bruins already have that player. He’s better than OEL, and gets paid under 4 million. They can get another one of those players by just throwing 2.5 million at mike rielly. OEL is paid at least double what he’s worth, and that’s why none of these trades are really worth discussion.</div></div>

“None of these trades are really worth discussion” there have been 2 different fan bases who have chimed in and said with minor adjustments they’d take the trade. It’s just Bruins fans who have a burning dislike for OEL for whatever reason.

It will be a happy day on this site when OEL does get traded somewhere else and ends up being a solid contributor and I can take a nice victory lap around people like you, but until then, have a nice day.
Forum: Armchair-GM20 juin 2021 à 14 h 4
Sujet: Possible OEL Destinations
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>CMcAvoy73</b></div><div>Have a link? I don’t think that happened.

OEL has a bad contract. You can’t understand the bruins fans aversion to him? Seriously? You really can’t understand that? Well, allow me to enlighten you.
1. The contract. It’s bad. Bad bad bad.
2. The decline. It’s very obvious that he’s in decline. The eye test shows it, the numbers show it. Every time I see him play he looks worse. He’s an expensive non factor.
3. He’ll pitch in 50+ points? Why? What makes you think this? He has one 50 point season in his career (in any league) and it was 2015.
4. He’s soft. Minus player in the last seven or eight seasons.

Bottom line, he isn’t very good, and he’s paid like he’s elite. Retain half and expect maybe a 2nd and Moore back? Sure. Any sort of actual value is out of the question.</div></div>

Yeah he’s overpaid. That’s out of the way. Let’s break down the rest of what you just said.

He was on pace for 43 points this season. On the coyotes, one of the most abysmal offenses in the entire league. You don’t think he can find a way to chip in 7 more points somewhere playing with Pasta, Marchand, Hall, etc? That’s a joke. 50 points would be his floor in my opinion.

You watch him play once, maybe twice a year. I watch every single one of his games every season. Has he declined? Absolutely. Is he still a second pairing sheltered offensive defenseman who can run the second powerplay unit? Yes 100%. It was blatantly obvious from day 1 that Tocchet was not playing OEL in the capacity in which he would thrive. Wherever he goes next he is bound to see somewhat of a renaissance for a couple of seasons. He probably won’t ever live up to the contract but for a team like the Bruins who only have a couple of playoff runs left in them with this roster anyway they just need him for the next 2-3 seasons.

Not sure how/why you ended up using plus minus as an indicator of a players “softness” but OEL is the ONLY player on the coyotes who would actually fight/stick up for his teammates. He is far from soft.

I’m willing to have an honest conversation about OEL’s worth in a trade. When you throw “Moore and a second for half retention” out there as a serious offer I’m done talking. That’s a joke. He’s worth more than that.
Forum: Armchair-GM20 juin 2021 à 13 h 34
Sujet: Possible OEL Destinations
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Dekes</b></div><div>yes but arizona taking on max 6 million dollar contracts for 1-2 yrs is nothing compared top OELs 8.25mill for 6yrs. OEL is still good but not even close to being worth 8.25 mill anymore. Also arizona is going bankrupt they can barely pay their players so i think if arizona only has to apy about 25% of OELs contract that would help them out somewhat finacially they can't afford his 8.25mil salary no more so they are in a situation where they just gotta dump him for whatever they can</div></div>

Their owner is worth billions of dollars they’re not going bankrupt. **** Merulo will probably be worth more than he was before after this summer and how much revenue his casinos will bring in. I see what you’re talking about with the bad contracts coming back, but I don’t see the coyotes retaining more than $1.5-2 mil
Forum: Armchair-GM20 juin 2021 à 13 h 11
Sujet: Possible OEL Destinations
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Dekes</b></div><div>No matter where you trade OEL Arizona will have to retain atleast 25% of his salary he is no longer the dman he once was and even though with a few of those team there’s a chance he could regain his all star form again like with bruins Florida NYR and Washington where he would lined up with top RHD like mcavoy fox and Carlson who are all top 10 dman in the league and ekblad is no slouch either, I just think it would be a really high risk. Bruins definitely could be interested they are in need of a top LHD but I think they would only do it if Arizona retained enough salary that his AAV for the bruins was around 5-5.5 mill</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>CMcAvoy73</b></div><div>Debrusk wants out? News to me, and i think everyone in Boston.

I think any OEL deal has to start with at least 30% retention</div></div>

I really don’t think it’s likely that the Coyotes shackle themselves to paying ~$2 mil a season to be rid of him for the next 6 years. A lot of these trades are giving up significant money to the coyotes in the near term, contracts that are beyond dead. OEL can contribute 40-50 points still
Forum: Armchair-GM10 juin 2021 à 16 h 57
Sujet: Dvorak trade
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>faulkmydzingel</b></div><div>Thanks for the info guys! Sounds like he might be a solid acquisition then.



I always wondered if there was an Arizona fan? I think i've seen may 6 Coyote ACGM posts in my tenure.</div></div>

I wouldn’t trade Dvorak for this package. Too much quantity not enough quality. To be honest I don’t know a ton about Abramov or Anderson though.

Dvorak is a solid 2C who is defensively responsible, not a great scorer but can put up 40-50 a season. Plays in front of the net on the powerplay, can kill penalties too.

I’d say a package for Dvorak should start with Kerfoot and the second, but then add another quality prospect. I’d do it if you added Liljegren but I’m not sure the Leafs do that. A player on that level though, and extra points for being an RD like Liljegren