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Forum: NHL19 sept. 2023 à 4 h 16

Sujet: 2023 NHL Offseason Discussion Thread #4 - The quiet period

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>ricochetii</b></div><div>I commented on that already. Recent times have given players pause in regards to their belief in the chain of command being the right approach to sensitive issues.
It's going to take a while for any NHL organization to overcome the perception created by other organizations.</div></div>

Then they have the wrong chain of command. This would've never gone down like this in Tampa or Pittsburgh.

Forum: NHL19 sept. 2023 à 4 h 15

Sujet: 2023 NHL Offseason Discussion Thread #4 - The quiet period

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>mokumboi</b></div><div>Ha! The guy talking out his rear like snake oil is on sale wants substance! Amazing.

Let's be perfectly clear: you have no idea what you're on about, either about Babcock's behavior or about me or about setting up an honest premise. And looking to the dumb***es who hired him in the first place to accept the errors of their ways solely out of self-reflection is just pie in the sky (though apparently running cover for him and destroying their team in the process is okay... or something). That's all deflection nonsense. Just like all your little manufactured, disingenuous, manipulative attempts at points... oh, they just have nothing else to write about so they railroad a good man!!! He just did what he thought he was supposed to do!!!

PUH-LEASE.

Also, this is a public forum, so it's cute how you think you're some sort of dictator. NEWSFLASH: Ya ain't. Reel it in, Napoleon.</div></div>

The problem with people like you is that you either forgot how to debate or you never learned. As soon as you're challenged you get defensive and start lashing out, speaking in all caps, and name calling. Your opinions aren't facts and you need to start accepting other peoples' views, regardless of whether or not you agree with them. Hopefully, you'll do better in the future.

Nothing is gained from an echo chamber.

Forum: NHL18 sept. 2023 à 15 h 22

Sujet: 2023 NHL Offseason Discussion Thread #4 - The quiet period

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Db1899</b></div><div>Lol if you think that most pictures on a 20 YO camera roll go on social media you’re out of touch - coaches shouldn’t have access to a players texts/camera roll. You think the government should have cameras in our homes too?

Seems like a personal problem with you. There’s a reason why a ton of NHL players go on spitten chiclets and why Bissonette is the face of TNT and many other brands</div></div>

I'm not defending what he did or didn't do. I would like to know why this issue wasn't dealt with through the chain of command. There's a reason teams have captains. This issue speaks to disfunction within the organization as much as anything.

Forum: NHL17 sept. 2023 à 16 h 27

Sujet: 2023 NHL Offseason Discussion Thread #4 - The quiet period

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Db1899</b></div><div>Babcock knew what he was doing . Young Guys like Fantilli, Johnston, sillinger, boqvist likely had pictures of them partying/drinking and he knew it would make them feel uncomfortable</div></div>

As a coach he should be allowed to motivate his players (especially the young guys) to be training and improving instead of partying

Forum: NHL17 sept. 2023 à 11 h 6

Sujet: 2023 NHL Offseason Discussion Thread #4 - The quiet period

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>LeafsFanForSomeReason</b></div><div>Because it wasn't only Babcock and Jenner involved. At least one of the younger players in the org reportedly felt uncomfortable with the situation.</div></div>

Thanks for the info. In that case, I think if the player was uncomfortable with the request, he should’ve told Babcock no. If the player complied, or said no and Babcock backed off, but complained to the media, I think that the player would be in the wrong. However, if the player said no, but Babcock insisted, I think the player has a leg to stand on. I still think it was blown way out of proportion though, what about you?

Forum: NHL16 sept. 2023 à 17 h 5

Sujet: 2023 NHL Offseason Discussion Thread #4 - The quiet period

Let me know if I’m missing anything, but why is there an investigation into Babcock if both Babcock and Jenner said it was a positive experience and Babcock reciprocated by showing Jenner family photos from his phone? In addition, the story assumes grown men don’t know the word “No”. The only thing that should come of this situation, if anything, would be to shatter Barstool’s credibility.

Forum: NHL17 sept. 2023 à 18 h 1

Sujet: 2023 NHL Offseason Discussion Thread #4 - The quiet period

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>oilersguy</b></div><div>As a coach he should be allowed to motivate his players (especially the young guys) to be training and improving instead of partying</div></div>

He is (or was) allowed to do that...

Forum: Trade Machine Proposals5 août 2023 à 19 h 47

Sujet: CBJ Stacking Up On D

Swing and a miss 💨

Forum: Trade Machine Proposals8 août 2023 à 10 h 58

Sujet: Saved by the bell

A straight up downgrade across the board.

Forum: Trade Machine Proposals28 juill. 2023 à 10 h 45

Sujet: EL and JG reunite

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MoxNix</b></div><div>Defense is about the last thing Calgary would be looking for if they trade Lindholm. Columbus getting him would have to start with Johnson, Marchenko or Sillinger.</div></div>

Sillinger is the only hope out of those 3, the other 2 would never happen. Im not sure the FO is willing to move on from Sillinger yet. It would be interesting to see what other offers CAL gets, cause i dont think there are many teams that could put together a trade package that Cbus couldnt beat.

Forum: Trade Machine Proposals28 juill. 2023 à 16 h 48

Sujet: If Lindy Goes To CBJ This Is What The Return Should Be At Least

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>TheLand</b></div><div>Would be with an extension. Let's say 9.25 x 8 years</div></div>

This is a pretty good trade for both sides, but the extension would need to be in the $8-8.5 range.

Forum: Trade Machine Proposals28 juill. 2023 à 12 h 44

Sujet: If Lindy Goes To CBJ This Is What The Return Should Be At Least

When was the last time a UFA returned (basically) three 1sts in value?

Forum: Trade Machine Proposals28 juill. 2023 à 12 h 44

Sujet: If Lindy Goes To CBJ This Is What The Return Should Be At Least

With our without an extension in place?

With: this is probably close to it

Without: this would be an overpay for a1 year rental

Forum: Trade Machine Proposals26 juill. 2023 à 21 h 44

Sujet: NylanderKarlssonCBJ

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MoxNix</b></div><div>San Jose declines. 40% retention for 4 years on Karlsson is way too much 4.6 mil a year 18.4 million in total over the rest of his contract. That's an awful lot of money to pay a player to play for another team. Then they'll have to hope Nylander will extend with them and that'll cost them another 10+ mil a year meaning Nylander would effectively cost them 11.5 million in 23-24 r and 14.6+ mil/yr for 3 more years after that.

Or SJ could flip Nylander at the deadline for picks/prospects but they'd still be paying too much of Karlsson's salary.</div></div>

I don’t think SJ gets Nylander anywhere in this, do they? But you’re right about that retained salary on Karlsson being ridiculous.

Forum: Trade Machine Proposals25 juill. 2023 à 8 h 48

Sujet: Dylan Strome to CBJ

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Kuzbackov</b></div><div>Dylan Strome is not a 3C. Name a single 3C in the NHL last season that scored 65PTs.

Dylan Strome scored more than everyone on the Columbus Blue Jackets other than Johnny Gaudreau including every single Center in the roster. In fact, he outscored every natural Center on the Blue Jackets roster by a minimum of 20PTs but sure, he’s a 3C. What a **** take. On the Columbus Blue Jackets Dylan Strome would be the 1C and 2C.</div></div>

I dont care if you think hes a 3C or not, we still dont want him and hes still not worth this price. Take that however you want.

Forum: Trade Machine Proposals25 juill. 2023 à 11 h 41

Sujet: Dylan Strome to CBJ

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Kuzbackov</b></div><div>Dylan Strome is not a 3C. Name a single 3C in the NHL last season that scored 65PTs.

Dylan Strome scored more than everyone on the Columbus Blue Jackets other than Johnny Gaudreau including every single Center in the roster. In fact, he outscored every natural Center on the Blue Jackets roster by a minimum of 20PTs but sure, he’s a 3C. What a **** take. On the Columbus Blue Jackets Dylan Strome would be the 1C and 2C.</div></div>

Sam Reinhart was arguably the FLA 3C, and registered 67 points...

And CBJ was awful last year because they didn't score enough, so yes, their C's didn't score enough... but they would rather keep what they have over trading for Strome

Forum: Trade Machine Proposals24 juill. 2023 à 18 h 22

Sujet: Dylan Strome to CBJ

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Kuzbackov</b></div><div>What a stupid and uninformed comment. Dylan Strome scored more points last season than Cole Sillinger has in his entire career. Ceulemans hasn’t proven anything at the professional level. You can keep hoping and praying that either ever have the current value of Strome but as of right now Strome has more value than both combined, easily.</div></div>

cool then keep your 3C and we will keep our prospects. The trade seems bad for both. On pure trade value, im taking the 2 propsect and pick over a 3C. So seems we are both happy with what we have. You want to base vale off of points and i want to include potential, which is what you have to do in trades that involve propsects like this one.

Forum: Trade Machine Proposals23 juill. 2023 à 21 h 24

Sujet: Dylan Strome to CBJ

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Kuzbackov</b></div><div>Sillinger has a long way to go to even be a serviceable 3C and possibly a 2C. It’d frankly be shocking if he is ever a 1C.

Strome is a 2C at a minimum based on the past two seasons. Last season it’s arguable he was the Capitals 1C, he significantly outscored every Center on the Bluejackets including Sillinger. Hell, Strome outscored every Center on the Penguins not named Crosby or Malkin. He’s a 2C despite any stupid attempt you’re making to degrade his quality.

It’s patently stupid and ridiculous to suggest that Sillinger has some significant untapped potential but that Strome has plateaued. Strome’s scoring has increased in each of the last three seasons. There is no argument, Strome is a significantly better player than Sillinger today and likely for the foreseeable future.</div></div>

Which means on the Penguins he is a 3C.... my point made, thank you!

And I appreciate you trying to demean everyone on here who is trying to offer a counterpoint. All it does is show how shortsighted your viewpoint is. Try understanding that others have made valuable points. It will serve you better in the long run

Forum: Trade Machine Proposals23 juill. 2023 à 1 h 20

Sujet: Dylan Strome to CBJ

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Kuzbackov</b></div><div>Who TF are you talking about? The trade proposed was for Dylan Strome who had 65PTs in 81GMs last year which is a significantly higher pace than 57 in 78. What are you talking about?</div></div>

That's a difference of a 6 point pace. That is not statistically significant at all. In fact, he has lost almost .5 5v5 p/60 from his first season in Chicago. It's fair to say he has regressed since then.

Forum: Trade Machine Proposals22 juill. 2023 à 22 h 7

Sujet: Who says no

Jackets honestly might say yes for that 1st...if Murray plays, he'll get injured and see ltir for most of the year anyways...

Leafs should keep Kampf(try to keep Brodie), take Andersson and kadri (no Coleman) for Nylander

Forum: Trade Machine Proposals23 juill. 2023 à 8 h 51

Sujet: Could this possibly work for all 3 teams

Assuming Nylander and Laine would both agree to the trade, it’s not a terrible exchange of RWs, but unless Nylander also agrees to extend, CBJ would be on the losing end of this.

Forum: Trade Machine Proposals15 juill. 2023 à 23 h 2

Sujet: If Pettersson wanted out of Vancouver

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>mv21227</b></div><div>Not sure why you would have no interest at all in a 24 year old top 5-7C who put up 100 points and will likely be in the Selke discussion year after year, especially when he’d probably be the best player to ever play for your franchise, but you do you. We will gladly keep him</div></div>

No team is going to give a package like that, absolute pipe dream.

.... good luck with that.

Forum: Trade Machine Proposals15 juill. 2023 à 16 h 46

Sujet: If Pettersson wanted out of Vancouver

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>PantsOffnJacket</b></div><div>Take Laine and Beau out and sure...otherwise jackets are good</div></div>

I'm pretty sure VAN would be on Laine's 10 team NTC list

Forum: Trade Machine Proposals15 juill. 2023 à 16 h 44

Sujet: If Pettersson wanted out of Vancouver

Take Laine and Beau out and sure...otherwise jackets are good

Forum: Trade Machine Proposals13 juill. 2023 à 15 h 36

Sujet: CBJ makes huge mess up in NJ

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>pretzelcoatl</b></div><div>This does not benefit the Devils at all</div></div>

Nor the Jackets. Must be a Rangers fan proposal.

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