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Armchair-GM
23 août 2022 à 23 h 15
Sujet:
Next Years Habs
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Windjammer</b></div><div>It was a good discussion though. The only thing I can add that you are discounting is that even though Hoffman has a $4.5 cap hit, you're still asking a team to spend $9 mil on him over 2 years, which is a lot. There are far better ways to spend $9 mil.</div></div>
That's definetly fair, from the Jets perspective
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Armchair-GM
23 août 2022 à 22 h 33
Sujet:
Next Years Habs
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Windjammer</b></div><div>Pace is meaningless. The fact is that he hasn't been able to stay healthy enough to play a full season and at his age, it's not getting any more likely that he will play a complete season. So, hisproduction is what it is, roughly 30 points. Then add in, that Hoffman is completely useless anywhere other than the opponents end. He's not even average at anything else. He's abysmal defensively, can't be trusted in his own end and adds nothing to a team outside of being a marginal, offense only winger.
It's not greedy asking for a first, it's the going price. What did Montreal get for taking $6 mil of Monahan? A first. So, someone taking on $9 mil of Hoffman is completely justified in asking for a first, minimum.
If you don't want to pay it, you can just hang onto him. You seen convinced he's still a good player. That or maybe retain half to reduce the cost to dump him.</div></div>
Ok I see your point, but Monahan is more expensive, and was less productive. 4.5 mil for better production, I don't believe needs a 1st added. Monahan being way more injury prone and making 6 mil is a significant gap in value in comparison. Also, the salary cap is suppose to go up so even if Hoffman has 2 years on his deal, it should take up a smaller percentage of the cap potentially in year 2. I don't think Hoffman is that good, but not bad enough that he would need more picks attached to him. But whatever. Agree or disagree, quite frankly I don't care. I just did this as a hypothetical for fun. Even though the trade on its surface is fine, and the return is barely anything as it is, I guess I can't win here...
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Armchair-GM
23 août 2022 à 22 h 19
Sujet:
Next Years Habs
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Boojets</b></div><div>He played on the worst team in the NHL. Which lead to him playing far to high up the lineup and having far to much PP time. His numbers last season were inflated because of that. No basically any other team he's playing 2nd PP and limited 3rd line minutes with players that drive far less offense. He's a cap dump plain and simple. Try to twist it anyway you want. Also Norlander would be the Jets 5th ranked LD prospect behind Heinola, Samberg, Chisholm and Stanley. He is not a player of interest at all.</div></div>
Well yeah of course he's a cap dump, thats why I'm trading him. Just saying the value is there for someone of his caliber, not much, but far from non-existent. Also, the inflated argument, c'mon, production is production..
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Armchair-GM
23 août 2022 à 22 h 16
Sujet:
Next Years Habs
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>pensburgh571</b></div><div>Lol so in the same statement you call out Monahan for having a bad season then go "look at the numbers Hoffman could have had IF he had played the entire season".
Center is more valued than wingers. It has always been that way.
BTW if anyone wants a player that has off-ice baggage, is only good for offense, and can only play winger, then why on earth wouldn't they just sign Kessel?? At least he has won some cups .... like come on now.
Just looked up the stats and yikes.... Hoffman was even worse defensively than I could have imagined.</div></div>
Won't argue the off ice stuff, cause I'm judging what he is as a player, and yes no question terrible defensively, won't deny that, but still a very respectable offensive player. And of course I'm going to call out Monahan, he had a much worse season then Hoffman did in about the same amount of games played, and is 1.5 mil more expensive. How can we base Hoffman's value by comparing him to a guy who is more expensive and was less productive? Hoffman is at a relatively reasonable cap hit in comparison to his production, where as Monahan is a significant overpayment compared to what he produced at. A guy who scores at a 20 goal and 40-45 point rate getting paid 4.5 mil needs a 1st attached to him just to be moved? I get Hoffman ain't worth the moon, I am fully aware (3rd round pick in return is far from that in hindsight), but attaching a 1st to a guy whose cap hit is fair market value compared to his production just seems greedy to me. It's not me overrating him, but simply disagree that him and Monahan carry even remotely similar trade value. A more productive and cheaper player has to count for something...
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Armchair-GM
23 août 2022 à 21 h 45
Sujet:
Next Years Habs
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Windjammer</b></div><div>Hoffman hasn't scored 20 goals for the past two seasons and wasn't wanted by any team other than Montreal when he was a ufa. He has a bad contract for a ~30 point player, that is a locker room cancer and has poor moral character. He's an unwanted player and is a pure cap dump that will cost Montreal to unload if they are able to.
I know Montreal fans don't want to admit it to themselves, but $9.0 mil of Hoffman will definitely cost Montreal to unload.</div></div>
Well he objectively would have hit at least 20 goals in each of the last 2 seasons. He scored 17 in 52 games 2 years ago (27 goal pace), and 15 in 67 last year (5 more goals over a 15 game span is far from a reach). So yes, he is a perrenial 20 goal scorer and a 40-45 point player over 82 games making less than 5 mil. I won't argue the off ice stuff with you, cause i'm judging based off of his on ice production. Based on his production, he alone has fair value in my opinion. But I added Norlinder, since I thought him being a dump would require the Habs to give up more. But needing to attach a 1st just to clear a 4.5 AAV cap hit for a guy who can still produce at a half a point per game rate just seems a bit greedy to me to be honest. That would imply that Hoffman has no value at all, which I don't believe that to be true.
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Armchair-GM
23 août 2022 à 19 h 46
Sujet:
Next Years Habs
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>pensburgh571</b></div><div>When will habs fans start to apply the same logic to their own cap dumps that is applied when they take on cap dump lol. Cap space is so scarce right now that it is going to take a 1st plus to dump multi-year cap dumps. You just got a first just to take on one single year of Monahan. Pretending your players are so much better is just homerism and nothing more.</div></div>
Lol Monahan at 6 mil, coming off the worse season of his career, compared to a guy like Hoffman, who played more games, had more points, and at a much cheaper cap hit for guy who over 82 games is a 20 goal and 40-45 point player (please look at the pace he was on before you claim i'm overrating him). A guy like that is making over 4 mil, not 7 plus. A 20 goal scorer at that cap hit is fair value in todays NHL, and all I suggested was a 3rd. And for Armia, ok I could see your point there, attaching a 3rd or even 2nd round pick seems more resonable to dump almost half of what Monahan makes btw, but I see that's not relevant I guess... But even so, I'm dumping him for NOTHING, and yet that's seen as overvaluing Habs players? Yeah getting literally no value back for these guys is the definition of homerism lol....
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Armchair-GM
23 août 2022 à 19 h 35
Sujet:
Next Years Habs
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Windjammer</b></div><div>Hoffman is a pure cap dump and moving two years of his awful contract will cost at least a first if you want that much in return.</div></div>
I'm sorry, but Hoffman is at a very reasonable cap hit for his production. A guy who can score 20 goals and 40-45 points fully healthy at 4.5 mil is fair value in todays NHL. Hoffman doesn't have a lot of value, I get it. But his contract in comparison to his production is not nearly bad enough that Montreal would have to throw in a first to get rid of him.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
23 août 2022 à 19 h 30
Sujet:
Next Years Habs
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Jah1722</b></div><div>Ducks pass. They aren’t going to take on 3 years of Armia just because. Sure he could rebound or he could also be a very high priced 13th forward. Just because a team has cap space doesn’t mean that have to use it.
The ducks are gonna need every dollar of cap space once Zegras and Terry get paid. And depending on what Drysdale gets all the cap space the ducks are looking at could be relatively gone.</div></div>
Yeah I figured that would be the counter argument. Totally fair. I just figured if Armia was to be dumped, it would be to a team that has the cap and could use internal improvements. But I get what you're saying from the Ducks persepctive.
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Armchair-GM
23 août 2022 à 19 h 27
Sujet:
Next Years Habs
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>GeneralLandro</b></div><div>Anaheim declines. Verbeek has already said he doesn’t want any cap dumps that have more than one year left plus there is no incentive to take the deal</div></div>
That's fair enough
Forum:
Armchair-GM
23 août 2022 à 19 h 24
Sujet:
Next Years Habs
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Howie</b></div><div>Jets decline neither is a need and give up the most valuable piece</div></div>
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Howie</b></div><div>Jets decline neither is a need and give up the most valuable piece</div></div>
Respecfully disagree. The Jets bottom 6 is not very good. Neither is their defense. Adding Hoffman helps their depth, and Norlinder gives them another future option on their blueline. I get Hoffman doesn't carry a ton of value, but is a guy who can produce 20 goals and 40-45 points fully healthy not more valuable than simply giving up a 3rd round pick? I don't think the value is unreasonable at all, and getting a 20 goal scorer for 4.5 mil is honestly fair market value in todays NHL, especially for the Jets would can afford him. I don't see a huge reach here, with all due respect.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
27 oct. 2017 à 15 h 15
Sujet:
How to solve a problem like Montreal
Yeah the drug is called the my opinion drug. Have you heard of it? I assume not...
Forum:
Armchair-GM
26 oct. 2017 à 15 h 28
Sujet:
How to solve a problem like Montreal
1- Because I had already signed Iginla and Gionta but I wanted to trade them for high picks because I think they will still be worth it. That way, my team can be set for the present, and the future.
2- I have faith in Pickard, he was a solid goalie in Colorado and I think he has potential to be better in the NHL if he's given the chance. I also have Lindgren who I believe is a future goaltender that will be important for MTL and he's looked good the games he's played so far in the NHL (2) so if Pickard isn't good, he's an option IMO.
3- No, I don't own NHL 18 or a PS4/XBOX One for that matter
Forum:
Armchair-GM
1 juin 2017 à 20 h 56
Sujet:
Team Canada
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>bigbadbruinz</b></div><div>wow this team is trash you have 10 centers out of 12 forwards.Are you ********</div></div>
Dude, did you watch the World Cup of hockey? Considering these are the best players from Canada, I think "trash" is the wrong word. If I actually put more wingers, do you even know how much weaker this team becomes? What the **** does it matter anyway, this is my team, I don't appreciate your hate...
Forum:
Expansion Draft
1 juin 2017 à 20 h 52
Sujet:
Third time is a charm (includes my protections)
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>PaulDunnill</b></div><div>I honestly don't believe that Silfverberg will be available!!</div></div>
Now that I think about, you are probably right. I'm down for them exposing Perry instead.....
Forum:
Expansion Draft
1 juin 2017 à 20 h 51
Sujet:
Third time is a charm (includes my protections)
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>JamesFalk</b></div><div>I don't think your draft is at all realistic.
It's a good team for simply icing a team, but there's much more involved.
Not only does Vegas not yet have a current roster, they have no farm system. Every one of the 30 players they select is eligible for waivers & will be far too good to ever clear. If they hold on to all 30 leading to the declaration of opening day rosters, they'll have 23 players in their entire organization plus whatever they draft this season. They need to trade 7 players literally during the expansion draft will the sole purpose of trading them for a dozen prospects. You've drafted one 2017-2018 RFA. You should be grabbing 10 to maximize trade value. Your UFA selections are a waste as well.
If that wasn't bad enough, you selected Hutchinson. As a Jets fan, our fan base would jump for joy losing someone whose only place on this seasons roster was to meet the expansion draft criteria for exposure.
Here's my last one. <a href="https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/58421">https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/58421</a></div></div>
Ofcourse this isn't realistic, but as of right now, what else can you do. All the best players are protected and with the options I had, I have to disagree. This is a pretty solid team... Also I put Hutchinson because I needed 3 goaltenders, him being a 3rd goalie isn't wasting any other good goalies talents because he is pretty bad...
Forum:
Expansion Draft
1 juin 2017 à 20 h 46
Sujet:
Third time is a charm (includes my protections)
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>AndrewColvin91</b></div><div><div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Will0613</b></div><div>
Thank you, I could agree with that but I think Grubauer is much better than Hutchinson and Grubauer being a 3rd goalie is just a waste of his talent.</div></div>
I think grubauer is better than raanta. Maybe take Michael Grabner instead?</div></div>
Perhaps but I think he will be protected
Forum:
Armchair-GM
9 mai 2017 à 10 h 19
Sujet:
Team Canada
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>rangersandislesfan</b></div><div>Not trying to be mean but in my opinion Subban doesn't belong on here. He wasn't even in the world cup.</div></div>
True but I think he's better than Pietrangelo and probably Weber too. But I understand where you're coming from.
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Expansion Draft
9 mai 2017 à 9 h 24
Sujet:
Third time is a charm (includes my protections)
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>palhal</b></div><div>You've picked too many high priced retreads. Vegas have/are going to sign UFAs which puts them at a much higher cap even before the draft. I can't see Plekanec, Read, Sbisca, Cobourn, Gorges being selected. Vegas might even take some AHLers which doesn't affect the cap, so they can spend money on UFASs.</div></div>
I just respected my options..
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Expansion Draft
9 mai 2017 à 9 h 23
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Third time is a charm (includes my protections)
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>AndrewColvin91</b></div><div>good picks. I would take grubauer and lowry instead of hutchinson and eller though.</div></div>
Thank you, I could agree with that but I think Grubauer is much better than Hutchinson and Grubauer being a 3rd goalie is just a waste of his talent.
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