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Forum: Armchair-GM11 juill. 2020 à 8 h 37
Sujet: Leafs 21 One Big Trade
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>OldNYIfan</b></div><div>Let's set aside the issue of whether Getzlaf would waive or we would ask him to.

The problem is that you're ignoring who the 4 players are.

Where do you propose we play Johnsson among Rakell, Heinen, Milano, Jones and Comtois?

Where do you propose we play Dermott among Fowler, Lindholm, Djoos, Larsson, Mahura and Guhle?

Where do you propose we play Kerfoot among Henrique, Zegras, Steel, Lundestrom and Groulx?

Kapanen is admittedly an excellent addition and would play in our top 6, but only assuming that we didn't have to shift Rakell over to make room for Johnsson or Kerfoot on the left.

In short, in isolation, this is a good-value trade for Anaheim, but we have to play the team we have. We need help at RD and secondarily at RW, so effectively, we are taking one (Kapanen) and a half (Dermott on his off side) steps out of 4 forward. That's not enough.

And I agree with the OP's refutation of your claim that this is poor management on Toronto's part -- due, again, to the reality of the current structure of this team, some or all of these players are going to have to be moved this off-season or next.</div></div>

To answer your questions, at this point:

Johnsson would likely slot in as your #1 LW.

Kapanen as your #2 RW.

Kerfoot would battle henrique for #1C duty until the kids proved they were ready for top-2 duty.

And these are players around for the long haul, as i would also be pushing the older guys Henrique Silf Fowler out the door in the next couple years too.

For 20-21 the lineup would look something like:

Johnsson 26 - Henrique 30 - Rakell 27
Heinen 25 - Kerfoot 26 - Kapanen 24
Milano 24 - Steel 23 - Silfverberg 30
Jones 22 - Lundestrom 21 - Comtois 22
(Rowney 32 - Zegras 19 - Deslauriers 30)

Lindholm 27 - Djoos 26
Fowler 29 - Dermott 24
Guhle 23 - Larsson 23
(Mahura 22)



Again, with the next guys moving out being the likes of Henrique, Silf, and Fowler.
Dermott would slide in as the #3/4 dman, pairing up with either Lindholm or Fowler.
Forum: Armchair-GM10 juill. 2020 à 15 h 34
Sujet: Leafs 21 One Big Trade
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Boomer125</b></div><div>It is correct that Anaheim is quickly building up a very nice prospect pool - my point is this - in this particular trade Anaheim is aquiring 4 mid twenties NHL players all entering their prime either signed with term or controlled RFAs for the price of 2 twilight players with no term and on the back end of thier careers - now if Anaheim was serious about a rebuild their stock pile of prospects is still 2 maybe even 3 seasons out - the 4 players aquired fall right in line age and term wise for a rebuilding team. In all honesty this is a very smart trade for Anaheim and very poor asset management from TO</div></div>

at first glance it may seem like poor asset management by the leafs, but that's only if you don't accept that for cap reasons these at least 3 if not all 4 of these specific leafs are going to have to be moved in the next few years. This trade gives them two potentially perfect short-term fits, neither with too much term, and one of them who could still be in line for a reasonable extension into his mid-30s.

of course, this is a big trade, and adding in picks/prospects on both sides to fine-tune it would likely make sense.


a smaller version of this trade would be Dermott + 1 of those 3 forwards for Manson alone. Then for cap reasons the leafs would then have to trade one more of the forwards (to the ducks or any team) for picks/prospects.
Forum: Armchair-GM10 juill. 2020 à 15 h 28
Sujet: Leafs 21 One Big Trade
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MZP</b></div><div>3rd liners?

Last 2yrs Paces

Getzlaf (34): 19:05toi (2:34pp), 16gls (2pp), 54pts (12pp)
Rakell (26): 18:19toi (2:24pp), 20gls (6pp), 52pts (14pp)
Silfverberg (29): 17:22toi (2:14pp), 27gls (4pp), 48pts (11pp)
Henrique (29): 16:39toi (2:19pp), 24gls (7pp), 46pts (12pp)
Johnsson (25): 14:27toi (1:44pp), 20gls (5pp), 45pts (8pp)
Kapanen (23): 16:14toi (1:01pp), 18gls (1pp), 45pts (3pp)
Kerfoot (25): 14:50toi (1:42pp), 14gls (3pp), 40pts (11pp)
Heinen (24): 14:12toi (1:45pp), 12gl (2pp), 34pts (7pp)</div></div>

or just Even Strength for simplicity:

Getzlaf (34): 15:52, 14gls, 42pts
Kapanen (23): 13:35, 16gls, 39pts
Johnsson (25): 12:37, 15gls, 38pts
Rakell (26): 15:22, 15gls, 37pts
Silfverberg (29): 13:27, 20gls, 35pts
Henrique (29): 13:29, 17gls, 33pts
Kerfoot (25): 12:58, 11gls, 30pts
Heinen (24): 12:20, 10gls, 27pts
Forum: Armchair-GM10 juill. 2020 à 15 h 2
Sujet: Leafs 21 One Big Trade
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Lenny7</b></div><div>Not a whole lot of reason to trade for LD, a couple of 3rd liners and Kap. There's a ton of young players on the Ducks who are going to need more icetime, and this does nothing but a) make the team worse, and b) take away ice time from those guys.</div></div>


3rd liners?

Last 2yrs Paces

Getzlaf (34): 19:05toi (2:34pp), 16gls (2pp), 54pts (12pp)
Rakell (26): 18:19toi (2:24pp), 20gls (6pp), 52pts (14pp)
Silfverberg (29): 17:22toi (2:14pp), 27gls (4pp), 48pts (11pp)
Henrique (29): 16:39toi (2:19pp), 24gls (7pp), 46pts (12pp)
Johnsson (25): 14:27toi (1:44pp), 20gls (5pp), 45pts (8pp)
Kapanen (23): 16:14toi (1:01pp), 18gls (1pp), 45pts (3pp)
Kerfoot (25): 14:50toi (1:42pp), 14gls (3pp), 40pts (11pp)
Heinen (24): 14:12toi (1:45pp), 12gl (2pp), 34pts (7pp)