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Forum: Armchair-GM24 juill. 2022 à 21 h 49
Forum: Armchair-GM11 juill. 2022 à 10 h 47
Sujet: Habs 2022-23
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Campabee</b></div><div>You missed the point, guess I need to spoon feed you again.

<strong>most</strong> again <strong>most</strong> Habs ACGM's created by Habs fans have the values of the players you pointed out as being what I said above. <strong>You</strong> can cherry pick the bad ACGM's all you want but that does not make those ones right. In fact I am willing to bet that the <strong>only</strong> reason half those ACGM's are selling our players short is cause those fans were tires of having to defend their positions to Habs trolls like <strong>you</strong>. You always come on every single Habs ACGM and crap on it.</div></div>

No, I come on every single truly awful Habs ACGM and crap on THEM. You falsely assume that because I and other fans bash ridiculously bad Montreal ACGMs, we therefore bash all Montreal ACGMs. This is known as The Fallacy of the Undistributed Middle. On the contrary: we aren’t anti-Montreal in general, we just strenuously object to really bad postings from a clique of clueless Montreal homers who habitually overrate their players. We don’t criticize Habs posts because we’re biased, we attack them on merit – or, more accurately, lack thereof. The reason why you perceive our comments as constantly negative is simply that you are confronted by our objections to those terrible constructions which agree with your own misjudgments. For example, before last week’s draft, that segment of Habs fans posted a series of ACGMs advocating Josh Anderson trades that grew more exaggerated and fanciful with each day, beginning with Anderson and the 26 t h overall pick for #13 and progressing from there to increasingly absurd heights, culminating with one ACGM in which one of you suggested that Anderson and #26 was worth the second overall selection. Remember this one?

https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/3384239

Second overall, indeed.

We’ll stop rejecting every awful Montreal ACGM when you guys stop publishing them.

One final note: the issue here isn’t whether I or anyone else is anti-Canadien or what the best value for any Canadien player is. The issue is the impropriety of calling someone a troll simply because his trade values are different from yours. You have no defense to my proof that his trades mirror trade proposals made by self-professed Montreal fans who are not trolls, so you simply dismiss the proof as if it didn’t exist and then go on to the irrelevant point that many Montreal fans disagree with each other on evaluations. But the proof is there, and it is unrefuted.
Forum: Armchair-GM10 juill. 2022 à 23 h 11
Forum: Armchair-GM10 juill. 2022 à 21 h 51
Sujet: Habs 2022-23
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Campabee</b></div><div>Those are outliers. Most Habs fans trades are Allen for a 2nd or 3rd (so I will give you that one)

Drouin half retained for a late first or 2nd at the deadline

Dvorak is most commonly traded for a 1st + 3rd a 1st min. Also his value according to guys like Lebrun, Freidman and Seravelli has remained close to what the Habs paid for him.

Petry's most common trade is Dellandria or Stranges + 2nd or a 1st + Khudobin

Just cause you can find similar trades posted by Habs fans doesn't automatically make that their values. I know of at least 2 Leafs fans who want to trade Nylander for Anderson straight up. Does that mean Nylander's value is just Anderson 1 for 1? No it just means that those fans don't value Nylander as much as other Leafs fans. The same can be said for just about any other fan base on this site.</div></div>

My point isn't that every Montreal fan I quoted is perfectly accurate -- my point is that if Montreal fans think that these are reasonable values no matter what your opinion is (and why should anyone believe your opinion is superior to Minimont's or ppp's or RoyBoy's or anyone else I cited?), then you should not be accusing people of trolling because obviously the OP's post is within reason. Maybe the outliers are the Habs extremists are the guys who thought (and apparently still think) that "Anderson was almost packaged for second overall" despite any actual evidence of that dream.
Forum: Armchair-GM10 juill. 2022 à 21 h 33
Sujet: Habs 2022-23
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Campabee</b></div><div>Habs easily decline all of these trades. Obvious troll account</div></div>

I think that you should be careful about accusing people of trolling. Real, real careful.

Allen for a third and a fifth appears in a post by Montreal fan Minimont here:
https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/3413288

The exact Allen trade appears in a post by Montreal fan ppp here:
https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/3413102

The exact Drouin trade appears in a post by Montreal fan Camarade here:
https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/3420481

The exact Dvorak trade appears in a post by SamTheGoalie36, who isn’t a Montreal fan, here without objection by Habs adherents:
https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/3419288

Dvorak for two seconds instead of a second and a third appears in a post by Montreal fan RoyBoy here:
https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/3415137

Petry for Radek Faksa and a Dallas second occurs in a post by Montreal stalwart <a href="/users/habitantlecolon" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">@habitantlecolon</a> here, so Petry for a first doesn’t seem out of place:
https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/3422133

Petry for a second appears in a post by Montreal fan <a href="/users/weaned_on_the_Habs" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">@weaned_on_the_Habs</a> here:
https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/3411145
Forum: Armchair-GM4 juill. 2022 à 13 h 21
Sujet: Wings 2022 second try
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MMXD</b></div><div>I dunno, great example. Just because you're on the first line doesnt mean your value as such. Trading a second for Pettersson is absolutely absurd. He's not that great and his contract is bad. And comparing it to say, the recent McDonagh deal, this really isn't so bad.</div></div>

Ignore this Pens fan. He's an insecure troll who picks fights. The hockey knowledge just isn't there. It's basically pretending all Pens players are all stars and future Hall of famers. He's been obsessing about Detroit trading a 2nd for Pettersson for months. It isn't happening. A 3rd is fair. Frankly I don't even care if this trade happens. I'm sick of hearing about it. If Pettersson is so great he wouldn't be available.