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Forum: Armchair-GM4 nov. 2023 à 17 h 57
Sujet: Number 31 deserves to be retired
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>future_gm</b></div><div>This has nothing to do with what Carey Price accomplished. For most of the people. he was their idol growing up including me. After all of these years where we failed miserably to put up a decent team infront of him he still decided to stay. After all of the shi* he was receiving from the media he still decided to stay loyal. After 15 years in Montreal and what he did, not retiring his number would be so ignorant and upsetting. And yet again after all of this it’s always going to be the same old quebecors saying he doesn’t deserve it. If he was named Pierre Martin trust me it wouldn’t be the same.</div></div>

There’s a major difference in how the younger fans view players and how old ones like myself do. Price has been the best Habs player that you’ve probably ever seen. I was fortunate enough to grow up in the best of times. Nevertheless I would have no objections at all to retiring his number.
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Sujet: 23-24 Habs With Trade Predictions
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>brady_t12</b></div><div>Oh boy. I sure am glad you asked.

Dvorak has 2 years left on his contract versus Mantha's 1. The AAV differs by 1.3M, which isn't negligible, but 2x4.45 is 8.9 whereas 1x5.7 is just 5.7 last time I checked. So even if we're looking at them both as cap dumps, it will cost more to dump Dvorak. Let's look at production now.

Mantha: 11G-16A in 67GP
Dvorak: 10G-18A in 64GP

Dvorak had slightly better numbers, but legitimately negligible. However, Dvorak had far less competition for ice time on Montreal. Dvorak's ATOI for the 22-23 season was 16:52, whereas Mantha's was 14:13. Dvorak on average was getting an extra two and a half minutes per game and did nothing with that time. Not to mention that Dvorak had 118 minutes on the PP versus Mantha's 59, literally exactly half. Dvorak should've way outscored Mantha due to his deployment. Dvorak's career high in points is also only 38, which he hit in 19-20. Mantha's is 48, which he hit in back to back seasons in 17-18 and 18-19, which I'll concede was a long time ago, but I'm still betting on Mantha over Dvorak given those track records.

Dvorak is a serviceable two way center? Dvorak over the course of the season threw 13 hits, had 66 blocks (decent for a forward, nothing spectacular), and had a Takeaway-Giveaway differential of -14. That's awful. That isn't a good two way center. Not to mention he had a CF of 42.5%, which is also atrocious. He hasn't posted a CF% over 50% (which is average) since 2019-20. There's nothing good about Dvorak's defensive game other than his painfully average FOW% of 52%.

Comparing those numbers to Mantha: 68 hits, 24 blocks, -10 takeaway giveaway differential. Not much better in terms of defense, but at least he hits someone once a game. The real difference here is his 53.1% CF. This is the lowest CF% Mantha has EVER had in his career and it's still 10% better than Dvorak's season. Literally over 10 percentage points better than Dvorak. And before you say something like "well the caps are better than the habs so he should have better numbers;" the caps finished 8th worst in the league and had only 4 more wins than the habs.

I haven't even talked about Laviolette's deployment of Mantha, but at this point, I've made my point. Dvorak is garbage and has little to no redeeming qualities whereas Mantha had his deployment screwed by an awful coach (good luck rangers). I'll take one year of Mantha over two of Dvorak. It isn't even close, not even in the same ballpark. Mantha at least has a chance to bounce back and has good underlying numbers, whereas Dvorak's numbers all say he is what he is; a cap dump.

While there is significant retention in this deal, it still does not even close to justify the caps paying two second round picks to swap Mantha for a far inferior player. Dvorak is not an upgrade in the slightest.

To further expand this point, go to https://hockeymon.streamlit.app/ because honestly I don't know where else to get THIS specific information for free, but compare the numbers for Dvorak and Mantha and you will find that even though Mantha has mightily struggled to produce, he is a far more positive impact player than Dvorak. Like, not even close.</div></div>

Thank you for sharing an opinion that’s well informed and not simply not wanting to trade a player on your team because you like him or some silly reason. I see your side of it and respect it. I still don’t think Mantha is worth roughly 3.4 million dollars more than Dvorak for this season. Ultimately we don’t have to move Dvorak until next season.