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Forum:
Trade Machine Proposals
14 mai 2023 à 23 h 26
Sujet:
Top possible value for Matthews
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Hitagi_Senpai</b></div><div>Okay when are you writing your book on NHL athletes? Since you seem to be quite enlightened on this subject, with your insight on a player that has never played outside of the BIGGEST media market in the NHL.</div></div>
He played for 7 years and never showed up on a "must-win" game and never looked like a real top player in the playoffs. When are you writing your book on NHL athletes? Since you seem to be quite enlightened on this subject, with your insight on a player who's a top-10 player in the league during regular season, but can't perform in the playoffs somehow because of the market he plays in.
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Trade Machine Proposals
14 mai 2023 à 23 h 15
Sujet:
Matthews signed for 78 years Bedard wants to go elsewhere
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Rhea</b></div><div>Not completely useless no and with a coach who had a clue it would be different too in my opinion. I always wanted to see him with a power forward as opposed to a smaller guy who always slows down the play. I guess we'll disagree, but there is no way he goes for less than multiple firsts.</div></div>
"With a coach who had a clue" "small guys who always slows".
He played for a coach who won the Olympics, the Stanley cup, and reached two other finals. He played with very, very talented linemates, yet he never delivered in the playoffs, looked completely invisible in all "must-win" game he played in, he's soft and doesn't seem to be a leader.
Sounds like you're just looking for excuses for his poor performance.
Matthews at 14/15M$ for long term? Pretty sure the return would be very underwhelming. Sure there's probably a team who'd pay more than a late first, after all h'e gonna sell jerseys and he's a high profile player, but there's no universe in which Leafs get a Connor Bedard type of return.
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Trade Machine Proposals
14 mai 2023 à 21 h 35
Sujet:
Matthews signed for 78 years Bedard wants to go elsewhere
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Rhea</b></div><div>Lol come on man seriously.</div></div>
Seriously why would any team want to give valuable asset to acquire Matthews, a great regular season player but a complete useless player in the playoffs, at 14/15M for 8 years?
Forum:
Trade Machine Proposals
14 mai 2023 à 18 h 5
Sujet:
2 Future stars swap
I think both teams say no to this lol.
Forum:
Trade Machine Proposals
14 mai 2023 à 17 h 55
Sujet:
Matthews signed for 78 years Bedard wants to go elsewhere
Matthews seems to want to be the highest paid player in the league, and Matthews at 15M$ a year is probably a negative asset for a team. I don't think they'd get a late 1st round for Matthews at 8*15M$
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Trade Machine Proposals
14 mai 2023 à 17 h 39
Sujet:
An objectively fair deal
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Camper27</b></div><div>Fair enough, but being a voice/sounding board of the Montreal fan base and there are enough of you that provide that message (chat lines such as here and direct messaging to the Habs), what is a fair offer/value or return to Wpg at the trade deadline? Now be fair!!!</div></div>
Well, realistically Montreal probably won't competitive next year so the idea of trading valuable assets (like 1st rnd picks / high prospects) at the deadline makes no sense for them. There's probably a team out there who would offer much more to get him as a rental for a playoffs plush.
For me the only way Mtl gets him is when he becomes UFA. That's why I don't see them offering more than a late first (FLA pick) + an okay player like Dvorak and a B prospect like Kidney. Then WPG probably says no and try to get more, but it makes no sense from MTL standpoint to give up more than that.
Forum:
Trade Machine Proposals
14 mai 2023 à 12 h 1
Sujet:
Top possible value for Matthews
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Hitagi_Senpai</b></div><div>You're saying he wont preform. But take him OUT of Toronto, I am sure he'll be fine.</div></div>
He won't. He never did. He's never going to be a core player of a winning team. He has some value because he sells jersey and is a high profile player, but I most team are trying to win and make deep playoffs run. Nobody is giving much value for a guy who never showed up in the playoffs, seems to have 0 leadership, is soft, and is going to want to be the highest paid player in the league.
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Trade Machine Proposals
14 mai 2023 à 11 h 53
Sujet:
An objectively fair deal
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Camper27</b></div><div>Spoken like a true Montreal supporter... This why this storied franchise currently is sitting in the position that they are in. Honestly, you should start seeing the value that other teams have and value your prospects, players accordingly.. You guys are so of base that it isn't worth reading.</div></div>
Hmm my opinion has literally zero impact on the organization or the position they are sitting in.
But nobody is giving that much value for PLD, even if he was signed for 8 years at a decent price. At the moment is a RFA one year away from being a UFA, he seems to want to come play for Mtl (or at least get out of Winnipeg), and he'll be looking to get probably around 9M$.
He's absolutely not worth 2 1st round pick (especially with the 2024 probably being a top10 again) + the 37th pick this year, plus a young promising D, and a good prospect like Beck.
There's literally 0 chance that Montreal give that much for a player like PLD lol. He's very good, but he has massive flaws in his game.
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Trade Machine Proposals
13 mai 2023 à 23 h 35
Sujet:
Top possible value for Matthews
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Hitagi_Senpai</b></div><div>He's not walking from Arizona. He'll walk from anywhere TO Arizona.
Also take him out of a heavy media city. I'm sure he'll do fine.
His value is easily 2-3x what you've put. Even as a rental..</div></div>
Well your first sentence explain why he has little value to any other team.
Why would anyone want to pay more than that for a rental who can't perform in the playoffs. That's pretty much the point of trading for a rental.
Forum:
Trade Machine Proposals
13 mai 2023 à 23 h 10
Sujet:
Top possible value for Matthews
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Hitagi_Senpai</b></div><div>Any team would easily offer far more than this offer for Matthews. Just because he hasn't had a great season, he's a top 15 player in the league.
Your value here is like barely worth a 1st line forward. We're talking about a franchise altering player...</div></div>
He's a top15 player in the league in regular season but he's a useless player in the playoffs. He proved that many times. He's soft and not willing to sacrifce anything to win, he's never gonna win.
I think the trade I built is the absolute best case scenario for the Leafs. Otherwise he's just going to walk away in one year.
Forum:
Trade Machine Proposals
13 mai 2023 à 16 h 35
Sujet:
Top possible value for Matthews
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Hitagi_Senpai</b></div><div>You're having a laugh right?
This is hilarious under valued.</div></div>
I dont think any team would give more than that to get one year of Matthews at 11.6M$. He's a good player in seasok but he's completely useless in the playoffs.
Forum:
Trade Machine Proposals
13 mai 2023 à 16 h 28
Sujet:
An objectively fair deal
Remove Beck, Barron, the 1st in 2024 and the 2nd in 2023 and maybe Montreal do that.
Forum:
Trade Machine Proposals
13 mai 2023 à 16 h 19
Sujet:
Matthews for Laine and 3rd overall pick
Matthews isn't worth the 3rd overall pick alone. He's UFA in one year, 11.6M$, and he can't perform in the playoffs. He's closer to being a cap dump than getting a top3 pick at this point.
Forum:
Trade Machine Proposals
11 mai 2023 à 22 h 44
Sujet:
Bedard says no to Chicago
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Justafan79</b></div><div>Well everyone knowing the results of their actions was a very good deterrent governments call it mutually assured destruction</div></div>
"Law is a set of rules that are created and are enforceable by social or governmental institutions to regulate behavior, with its precise definition a matter of longstanding debate."
Forum:
Trade Machine Proposals
11 mai 2023 à 22 h 15
Sujet:
Bedard says no to Chicago
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Justafan79</b></div><div>I'm telling you I'd be willing to put a bullet between someone's eyes and spend my life in prison if that's what the consequences are tells you I think it's pretty serious what he did. You don't have a daughter do you?</div></div>
I do have two daughters actually lol... But I'm smart enough to understand that sharing intimate picture without consent, while bad enough and very much condemnable, is not equal to rape and covering up rape.
You just casually saying you'd kill someone and spend your life in prison if someone did what Mailloux did to your daughter doesn't make you a good father or a good person lol, it just makes you a deranged maniac.
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Trade Machine Proposals
11 mai 2023 à 21 h 55
Sujet:
Bedard says no to Chicago
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Justafan79</b></div><div>Do you have a daughter? Because if he did that to mine he wouldn't be playing hockey and I wouldn't be chatting with you here.</div></div>
That's not the point lol. What he did and what the Habs did by drafting him is still light years away from a staff member raping a player and a organization wide cover up for 10 years.
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Trade Machine Proposals
11 mai 2023 à 21 h 17
Sujet:
Bedard says no to Chicago
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>IjustNEEDaTROYgamble</b></div><div>If Montreal is trading for 2023 1st overall pick Suzuki and Caulfield have to involved just to start the conversation with Chicago</div></div>
Probably one of them, not both.
Forum:
Trade Machine Proposals
11 mai 2023 à 21 h 16
Sujet:
Bedard says no to Chicago
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Justafan79</b></div><div>If it weren't 10 years ago, there wasn't this extremely thorough investigation, and the NHL wasn't going to be crawling up The Hawks butts with microscopes you may be correct on this premise .</div></div>
Oh I'm absolutely correct on that premise lol. These situations are not remotely similar. Even if one is over 10 years ago and the other one "only" 2-3 years ago.
Forum:
Trade Machine Proposals
11 mai 2023 à 20 h 55
Sujet:
Bedard says no to Chicago
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Justafan79</b></div><div>It isn't but both are s***bag things to do so if Chicago may offend his senses so may Montreal</div></div>
Well, maybe yes, but these two situations are not comparable in any way.
Forum:
Trade Machine Proposals
11 mai 2023 à 20 h 53
Sujet:
Bedard says no to Chicago
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Justafan79</b></div><div>It was 10-13 years ago that's not recent google Kyle beach he last played in the Chicago organization in 2013</div></div>
Maybe, it's like 99.9999% sure Bedard would not say no the Chicago because of that. Im just saying it wouldn't be completely unreasonable for him to do so for this reason.
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Trade Machine Proposals
11 mai 2023 à 20 h 52
Sujet:
Bedard says no to Chicago
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Justafan79</b></div><div>And let's not say the Canadians are the morality North star they did draft the scumbag Mailloux. Which was more recently.</div></div>
Drafting a player who did something like that is not equal to having one of your staff raping a player and then people covering it up.
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Trade Machine Proposals
11 mai 2023 à 20 h 51
Sujet:
Bedard says no to Chicago
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>budgeteam</b></div><div>Chicago would need a sure thing as part of the package.
Even if Montreal puts up 5th overall, their 2024 1st, Slafkovsky, and Nick Suzuki or Cole Caulfield - another team probably tops that offer.</div></div>
I don't think any team tops that, and it makes no sense for Mtl to give up their entire core for one player, as good as he can be.
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Trade Machine Proposals
11 mai 2023 à 20 h 43
Sujet:
Bedard says no to Chicago
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Justafan79</b></div><div>I stand by my comment how much does Rocky Wertz have to do with day to day operations? I don't know for certain,but guessing it's pretty close to zero . Being CEO of Wirtz Corporation most likely takes much more of his time.</div></div>
Probably, but a young player may not want to be part of an organization that had such a massive (and disgusting) scandal recently.
Forum:
Trade Machine Proposals
11 mai 2023 à 20 h 32
Sujet:
Bedard says no to Chicago
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Justafan79</b></div><div>Different management players coaching staff 🛑🛑🛑. Will also be the most scrutinized team in the league for that. Troll statement.</div></div>
Same owner
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Trade Machine Proposals
11 mai 2023 à 20 h 18
Sujet:
Bedard says no to Chicago
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Justafan79</b></div><div>Please explain why he'd say no to Chicago but yes to Montreal . It's not like he's some Quebec Frenchie or something.</div></div>
Google "Kyle Beach"
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