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Forum: Armchair-GM20 juin à 16 h 38
Sujet: Caps fans what do you think
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Knuckl3s</b></div><div>Schenn is the perfect comp IMO, Hayes was an overpayment the day it was signed, and Horvat isn't as good defensively as Couturier</div></div>

Im not going to deny I havent watched nearly enough of Couturier to know how good he is defensively, and I'm not going to rely on Corsi stats, but... Horvat is one of the Canucks best 5 on 5 defensive players. He isn't flashy like Garland, he doesn't embarrass players like Motte did, he doesn't even regularly kill penalties. But his awareness and his skill it blokving passing lanes is underrated crazily. Yes it's unfortunate the Canucks don't have a true shutdown center ( Every time we try it goes terrible. Beagle, Sutter, Dickinson. Gaudette couldn't spell 'defending'). I thought Couturier was slightly overpaid, despite two 70+ point seasons, but had no idea he was that good. Either way good lock for the Flyers if he keeps producing atleast 50 points a year.
Forum: Armchair-GM13 juin à 19 h 54
Sujet: Are sign-and-trades legal in the NHL
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>newballcoach</b></div><div>The NHLPA would **** a brick if they did that. Definitely cap circumvention (in this case, the floor) and they would lose their minds. Not a good scene.



I suppose what's "legal" and what's going to be allowed is a fair question. I don't think the NHL is going to encourage this to happen, and I would think they would void the contract. There could definitely be a fight about it, but short of Arizona and Carolina threatening legal action, that's probably what would happen. It's clearly cap circumvention and not in the spirit of the rules. I think they've lived with a third team retaining salary on deadline trades, but I don't see them opening up this slippery slope. The next step would be trading a player to another team, having them retain salary and then trading him back. That's not a box they want to open IMO.</div></div>

Yeah, lol, the 10 million 2 way deal was the byproduct of my head not sleeping but attending stats class
Forum: Armchair-GM13 juin à 19 h 53
Sujet: Are sign-and-trades legal in the NHL
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>dannibalcorpse</b></div><div>As someone else said, the Kovalchuk thing was just too blatant for the league to *not* let it go. A 27 year old signing a 17 year deal that just so happened to have 96.5% of the salary paid in the first 11 years, with miniscule cap hits for the last 6 (one at $750K and then 5 at $550K!)? Just too egregious.

This is less so - how is this much different than a team signing a pending free agent to an 8 year deal and moving him out to a team that would give them an asset for that extra year/lower AAV the extra year would bring? It's the signing team using one of the advantages given to them by the CBA in trading one of their players for the maximum possible return. Like I said upthread, I think if the NHL tried to knock this down there would be an immediate challenge back from the teams involved - meaning the league would either have to take this to court (incredibly unlikely) or they'd have to re-open the CBA to address this - and re-opening would require consent from the NHLPA, and any good union boss would make SURE to extract a concession from the league for doing them the favor.

For those last two points alone, I feel pretty confident the league would suck it up and let it ride, and potentially address it in the next round of CBA talks. I can't see it becoming that incredibly common - you've only got a handful of cap floor teams, and there's a limit to how many retained contracts they can have at one time, so at most you're probably looking at what, 5-6 instances of this happening?</div></div>

This is basically what I was thinking
Forum: Armchair-GM13 juin à 10 h 12
Sujet: Are sign-and-trades legal in the NHL
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>newballcoach</b></div><div>The NHL has been pretty strict on salary cap circumvention stuff, so while I don't think it's illegal I'm not sure the league would be very happy about it. I have to imagine there would be 31 other GM's fighting against this move. The fact that it hasn't been done yet tells me it probably can't be. In the NBA it's more about matching cap space for a player than it is straight manipulation.

Arizona is trying to cut costs. While this would get them assets, it's also an expensive move for them. If you structured the contract with low salary and high bonuses, they might be willing. But also that might make the league less likely to accept it, so I don't know. Interesting thought experiment.</div></div>

Yeah, I thought of that. TBH Arizona can solve this problem quite easily. Sign some random AHL player to a two way contract, with a 10 million dollar caphit at the nhl level qnd a 200 thousand dollar caphit in the AHL. Immediately send him down. The cap hit would be 10 million minus buried penalty, allowing them to reach cap floor
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