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Forum: Armchair-GM21 juin 2018 à 16 h 52

Sujet: Rangers de New York

Like the first trade, why on earth would NYR do the second

Forum: Armchair-GM20 juin 2018 à 10 h 12

Sujet: Hello Rangers

I don't know if trading the 3OA pick is in your best interest but, as a NYR fan, I think I'd accept this.

Forum: Armchair-GM19 juin 2018 à 13 h 54

Sujet: Hayes - Following up on Viqsi's Proposal

Thanks but no thanks. If the Rangers move Hayes it's because they're bringing in a high-end prospect or a defenseman, not another (but worse) center.

Forum: Armchair-GM17 juin 2018 à 16 h 58

Sujet: Draisaitl to nyr?

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Dylan1995</b></div><div>God you're an actual idiot drai is 2x better then duchene and look what you paid for him drai is a number 1 centre on 25 teams including NYR a bottom 9 players and significant downgrade in hayes we give up drai and lucic plus a 2nd rounder for this?</div></div>

You're not "giving up" Lucic, you thank god there's a team willing to take on his behemoth of a contract for a reasonable price.

Forum: Armchair-GM13 juin 2018 à 18 h 28

Sujet: Could a zibanejad trade be a possibility?

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>STLBlues17</b></div><div>Puljujarvi doesn't count but my top 5 would be:
Mittlestadt, Petterson, Heiskanen, Tolvanen, Thomas</div></div>

Why should Puljujarvi not count?
Others who I'd rather have off the top of my head: Kaprizov, Glass, Makar, Necas...

Forum: Armchair-GM12 juin 2018 à 20 h 29

Sujet: Could a zibanejad trade be a possibility?

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>STLBlues17</b></div><div>Zibanejad has a career high of 51 points and it was 3 years ago. Thomas is a top 5 prospect in the league</div></div>

Zibanejad has been injured in each of those three years: his PPG is decent and due to explode. And Thomas is clearly not a top 5 prospect in the league. He's very good, but he's not Pettersson, Heiskanen, Puljujarvi good.

Forum: Armchair-GM11 juin 2018 à 16 h 6

Sujet: Time to go

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Codyymd16</b></div><div>That first trade doesnt make sense, a cap dump for a cap dump and Rangers move up in the draft? also Vancouver needs defense more than forwards</div></div>

It does: both are cap dumps but Lucic's contract is worse: 5 years instead of 3 (and 26M instead of 15M). It's difficult to estimate the value between the two contracts in draft capital, but as a NYR fan, I'm not sure how I would feel if this trade occurred. The other two trades are bad, though.

Forum: Armchair-GM7 juin 2018 à 13 h 54

Sujet: Eat The Garbage

I like both trades. Good job.

Forum: Armchair-GM30 mai 2018 à 7 h 2

Sujet: More draft picks (WPG, CAR, ANA, CGY)

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Oggsford_Blues</b></div><div>I like the RFA trades and actually after thinking about it am on board with the Mason trade. Only 1 year left on his deal so no harm to the Rags.

Do you think that Smith will get another chance at the NHL roster? Didn't keep tabs on him after he got sent down. I know NYR have many young D men in the pipeline (Day, Lindgren, Hajek, you've added Fox) who might be better used in that spot.</div></div>

Out of these prospects the closest to the NHL is Hajek, and I still think a season in the AHL would do him good. Fox will still be in college. I think that, to fill the LD spot, it is either Smith (who obviously will come to training camp more motivated than ever – and in shape) or a UFA or trade. I think it is best to give Smith a shot, since it won't cost us anything and he looked amazing with Skjei in 16/17.

Forum: Armchair-GM29 mai 2018 à 19 h 19

Sujet: Kuch

I don't think this is a troll post because the first three trades seem serious, so I'll just say that it's not nearly enough for either Kucherov or Zibanejad.

Forum: Armchair-GM21 mai 2018 à 12 h 35

Sujet: Trade with the Rangers

As a NYR fan, take out Bittner and add a 2nd and we have a deal. While clearly overpaid, Dubinsky is kind of useful.

Forum: Armchair-GM20 mai 2018 à 17 h 32

Sujet: PENSS

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Sidstick87</b></div><div>also, What .... what is the outlook for Halverson in NY?? I loved the kid coming out of draft, but havnt really seen him play much.</div></div>

Halverson has fallen hard on the Goalie Depth chart... He was our best goalie prospect when he was drafted, but right now Shestyorkin, Georgiev, Huska and probably Nell are ahead of him. I don't think he ever makes it to the NHL – probably plateaus as an AHL starter (I could be wrong, of course).

And adding to that, Kreids is not going to be traded. He'll probably receive a letter this year. When he returned after his collarbone surgery he was a beast, and he has been at the Worlds for USA. I won't be surprised if next year he has 30+ goals. I also like him a lot. So I perceive his value to be more than a good defenseman who had a bad season (though I admit a more than possible bias).

Forum: Armchair-GM20 mai 2018 à 11 h 17

Sujet: Playing with the Salary Cap

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aspina25</b></div><div>OTT and CGY say no all day long. NYR say no to DAL trade, more value in Zucc elseware</div></div>

Ottawa was trying to bundle Bobby Ryan with Erik Karlsson in a trade... they are so cheap they essentially paid a 2nd rounder to NYR so that they could save 2M$ in Brassard's signing bonus two years ago. Gaborik is owed 11M for the next three years. Are you sure they don't at least consider it?

As for Calgary, they are trading for Namestnikov in exchange for Adam Fox and a slight worsening of their cap room. Dunno.

Forum: Armchair-GM20 mai 2018 à 6 h 3

Sujet: NSH-NYR-TOR-T...

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Bloodykisame</b></div><div>NYR laugh at this deal. They will not trade krieder unless tolvanen or Fabbro are involved with fiala. Krieder is a top line forward that averages between 50-60 points as zucc shames the same trend pointwise but krieder is the all around package with rare size, speed, shot, leadership, gritt. NYR will not give him up unless a top prospect comes back and they certainly will not hold back some of his salary unless return is improved. I can see nyr doing both for Fiala fabbro and a Nashville 2019st.</div></div>

Yeah.

Forum: Armchair-GM19 mai 2018 à 21 h 17

Sujet: PENSS

Carolina trade is awful. They're giving away 3 core pieces for Kessel. And as a NYR fan, I don't do that trade. Kreider is more valuable than Faulk – at least to us.

Forum: Armchair-GM19 mai 2018 à 15 h 12

Sujet: Fair?

Yeah, it's fair. I don't agree with previous comment. If Klefbom is out, Carolina is trading 3 very good players for two unknown (although valuable) commodities.

Forum: Armchair-GM14 mai 2018 à 17 h 58

Sujet: NYR 18-19

No! That's horrible for the Rangers.

Forum: Armchair-GM12 mai 2018 à 10 h 43

Sujet: Raanta trade feedback - Yotes fans?

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>yes</b></div><div>Past 3 seasons SV%

.919
.920
.930

Past 3 seasons GAA

2.25
2.27
2.24

His best year was last year on a horrible Arizona team.</div></div>

I didn't say he wasn't good. 2 of those years were as a backup, and last year he played 47 games. He had a hell of a year, but before we say he's in elite territory I'd like to see some sustainability: understand the effects that variance can have on small sample results. He was very good in GSAA too, which is why I am optimistic about him, but let's not forget that Thomas Greiss also had three good years before falling off a cliff (and many others alike).

Forum: Armchair-GM12 mai 2018 à 9 h 51

Sujet: Raanta trade feedback - Yotes fans?

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>yes</b></div><div>I know Hayden Fleury is only 21 years old but I wouldn't call him an A prospect anymore and Darling isn't even qualified to be a backup. Raanta is a Top 5 goalie in the NHL right now and will cost a lot to acquire.</div></div>

Anti Raanta is most certainly not a top 5 goalie in the NHL.

Forum: Armchair-GM12 mai 2018 à 9 h 49

Sujet: New year with Dubas

"Cap certainty" is the most eloquent formula I've heard for "bad contract". I mean, Lucic also gives Edmonton cap certainty.

That 1st round pick in the Nashville trade makes up the difference in talent, but to have NSH absorb Zaitsev's contract, you'll need to offer more. Ditto for Matt Martin. And why would Vancouver make that trade?

Forum: Armchair-GM10 mai 2018 à 14 h 49

Sujet: 18-19 NYR Trade

Make the pick a 2018 2nd and you have a deal. Smirnov had a down year, but he's pretty good.

Forum: Armchair-GM10 mai 2018 à 13 h 7

Sujet: Trading up (MTL, EDM, SJS)

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Philu916</b></div><div>Solid Prospect and 1st for Zucc should be a starting point. If Skjei goes to Edm, would need more than just the 10 overall. Even if NYR add Vesey or something to get Klefbom added.</div></div>

I might be a little low on Skjei, but I think his value is fairly similar to Klefbom's. Also, I would love to get that for Zuccarello, but I worry that Pacioretty will have a "Karlsson effect", where a better player at the same contractual length and similar $ is available and that drains down the return you can get.

Forum: Armchair-GM10 mai 2018 à 12 h 19

Sujet: Actually Realistic

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>ScottRoth</b></div><div>if you can get a 1st and a 2nd for the rights to Spooner and Namestikov in the offseason, I'll eat my hat. i understand how the second round works, thanks guy. Go show me a real trade where the rights of a player got traded and what they got.</div></div>

I mean Hartman just got a 1st and a prospect and he's certainly not better that Spooner and Namestnikov.

Forum: Armchair-GM10 mai 2018 à 12 h 7

Sujet: Trading up (MTL, EDM, SJS)

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Spanky227</b></div><div>that left hand defense makes me cringe -- skjei trade is just awful, why would we trade him</div></div>

Because we have to tank for Jack Hughes.

That defense is cringy, but NYR can rebuild it from the plethora of picks they have, and you can count on Brendan Smith being back and maybe signing De Haan. To be honest I just wanted to know if Oilers fans think the trade is fair (I would not want to do it). Let's see if someone replies.

Forum: Armchair-GM10 mai 2018 à 11 h 4

Sujet: Actually Realistic

Get the Draft Boards from 2010-15 and see the names in the 2nd round. There are better players than Spooner and Namestnikov there, but not many, and a lot don't make it. When you pick a player there, you hope ends up being a Spooner or a Namestnikov. If they're traded together, the least you ask for is a 1st + 2nd. Finally, yes there are young players that need to play. But they also need to not get hammered every night.

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