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Forum: Armchair-GM17 janv. 2018 à 16 h 53
Sujet: What quality young centres would you have traded Sergachev 1 for 1 instead of sq
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Blazingbat11</b></div><div><a href="/users/hazard" target="_blank">@hazard</a> <a href="/users/F50marco" target="_blank">@F50marco</a> <a href="/users/ricochetii" target="_blank">@ricochetii</a>

Without bringing a bunch of statistics, imo Petry offensively has the skill of a #2 defensemen, but is such a defensive liability that it bumps him down to an over paid #4-5 defensemen. It’s not because he isn’t physical or slow, he actually hits quite hard and is a quick skater. It’s his positioning and his decision making are what drives me mad! The amount of times he gets deked around or gets caught staring at the puck baffles me.

So as much as I would miss his offence, I would trade him for a couple of draft picks and use his cap space elsewhere, put Juulsen in his place, give him a chance.</div></div>

Its crazy how so many people have different opinions of a player. :laugh

I don't know, I am "pro" Petry sort of speak but even i wouldn't say he is a top 2 offensive dman. Not nearly the dexterity needed and I wonder even if he is capable of deking a goalie. I also disagree with the sentiment that his brain farts make him a 4-5. Although if we're counting pennies here, a "top 4 dman" is a 3-4 dman. The difference between a #4 and a #5 in a vacuum is a large difference. So its pretty hard to say a guy is a 4-5. Either he is top 4 or he is a bottom pairing. Some bottom pairing guys have potential of moving into top 4 for small amounts of time and look decent. That doesn't make a bottom pairing dman a top 4 now.

Goes to the same terminology as when a guy like Emelin last year played on the top pair with Weber. Does that make him a "top pairing dman"? IMO no its does not.

Secondly, I get the bad positioning and decision making sometimes too but the truth is: When Petry is generally unnoticeable, he has done his job. He is not overly flashy but making mistakes is. So he suffers from <strong>not</strong> getting the accolades he deserves from the things he does well but gets <strong>all </strong>the blame for the things he doesn't do or does badly.
Forum: Armchair-GM17 janv. 2018 à 15 h 32
Sujet: What quality young centres would you have traded Sergachev 1 for 1 instead of sq
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>hazard</b></div><div>You are bang on that MTL has the toughest job in luring UFA because of how tough the market is there, I don't disagree, but I will die on this hill that Jeff Petry is not a good defender.

He's sure as hell not worth 5.5 mill... barely worth 2 mill in my mind. Go take a look at his hockey DB and you'll see where im coming from... its outstanding how bad he is. He's been a + player once in his career and he has never surpassed the 30 point mark. He doesn't check, doesn't lay the body, coughs up the puck way to easily. I'm sorry, but he really doesn't cut it, especially in a high market like MTL.

While I do strongly agree that MTL has a tough job of luring in players, having an horrendous gm like Bergevin doesn't help, thinking players will sign for much less then what they want and are owed (Markov and Radulov). MTL has alot of problems right now, but i think the biggest one is poor asset management. If MTL has any chance of being a contender again, they got to do a rebuild, a quick one at that, and it starts with Unloading that horrendous contract of Petry, and praying to the hockey gods you can sign Tavares for what Leafs would have signed Stamkos for. It really is all based on him. They should be looking at what they can pry out of Vegas', Arizona, Sabres, and Sens hand while they have a chance. If they can get Tavares then a rebuild isnt needed, just a better set up... but if not, blow it up.

Me, being a Leafs fan at that, don't mind if the Habs succeed. Great Fans, community, support, history, and horrendous media coverage like the leafs lol. I just dont want them to be stupid and crap for the next few years with no plan in place, and if this kind of thinking continues (Petry at 5.5 mill) it will drive them straight into the ground</div></div>

Ok but you are looking at some insignificant stats and basing it off that.

=/- is the most pointless stat in hockey. Ekman larsson is -39 this year should Arizona put him on waivers? No. Honestly don't bother using =/-. Anyone "in the know" understands this and picks apart other peoples rationale in seconds.

Hits? Comes down to what is most important to you? Petry is not a "hitter". Markov doesn't hit players to be effective. Neither does Petry. But just for fun, Let's look at the numbers. Petry actually has the second highest # of hits of anyone not named Emelin in the past 10 years. So he is hitting and does hit. Maybe not Scott Stevens type hits but how many players still are like that in the NHL? Also chances are you are looking at this season mostly to base your opinion of him. This year is over. Why on earth is going to risk injury at this point and go in for any big hits? LOL believe it or not, Petry is off to his highest hit per game % this year since joining the Habs.....

Petry for all his talent is not an offensive dman. He is a good all round dman. Doesn't excel in any one thing but doesn't bring his team down at any thing either. In terms of point scoring, he's right where most guys of his type are so i'm not sure what you are comparing him to? Offensive dmen? Ok but now look at those players and look at what Petry does that they don't.

In all honesty, Petry drives me nuts sometimes also. When entering the offensive zone with speed he is the only player that the minute he passes the other teams blueline, has no idea what to do with the puck and will skate into the zone round the net all the way back to his own net and then coughs the puck up. Petry is culpable for making some absolute bone headed mistakes sometimes but if you analyze his play as a whole you'll realize, those mistakes don't end up in goals as much as others mistakes do and his best attribute is going unnoticed in games. When he is unnoticed, that means he did everything perfectly but because isn't fancy, never catches the eye.

I am not defending Petry because I like him, in all honesty his face annoys me and he always has a dumbfounded expression, but he is a quality middle of the pact top 4 dman. Not a star player but definitely not bad.
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