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Armchair-GM
17 août 2022 à 13 h 58
Sujet:
Team is YUCK
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Xqb15a</b></div><div>I think you make some really good points but COL cap situation on CF is way over blown they are sitting on $26.5M cap space next year. I also think Lundell is as much a question as a 2C as Newhook and the Avs really don’t need a guy like DuClair particularly in a cap environment. Good conversation thanks.</div></div>
My pleasure. Hope we meet in the finals.
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Armchair-GM
17 août 2022 à 11 h 58
Sujet:
Team is YUCK
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Xqb15a</b></div><div>Again just saying why FLA would do it, Byram just led the Stanley cup playoffs in 5v5 TOI +/- and is already a top 3 dman he would automatically be dropped in the top pairing playing 20+ minutes a night. DuClair had a career high shooting percentage and if you don’t think 6 teams passing on him isn’t a factor I think your mistaken he had a career season on a team having an insane offensive season and do you really think that’s repeatable? I dont. Hey I respect the love for your guys but I just think you’re talking about trading 2 middle 6 forwards for a top pairing dman, middle 6 forward, a bottom 6 forward and a 1st.</div></div>
I wouldn't mind getting Byram, he's an impressive player for his age, but he's the only piece of that trade that interests me. If he and Lundell were the two main pieces of the trade, I would consider it because it addresses each team's main needs (Colorado needs a 2C, Florida could use a LD). But I think both teams are attached to the players they have. Lundell is going to be a main part of our team's core for years.
As for Duclair, he was just as good two seasons ago (when Florida wasn't scoring at 90s levels) as he was last year, albeit with less goal scoring and more assists. He drives play very well with his speed, and considering he'll be playing with Bennett (who he has good chemistry with) and potentially Reinhart (who was a tremendous playmaker last season), I don't think it will be very hard to replicate his success, or at least put up numbers pretty close to it. Keep in mind that some of his best goal-scoring this past year came at the beginning of the season when he was on the 4th line. No Huberdeau, no Barkov, just him, and he led the team in scoring during that time (which led to him being elevated in the lineup). Plus, even if he was just a product of his team, why would that incentivize us to trade him to the best team in the league? If he suddenly starts to struggle this upcoming season, then maybe we can talk about him being passed on by 6 teams, but until then, he's done nothing but good stuff for Florida.
And again I come to the idea of term. It's a big hit to Florida and we'd be helping Colorado a ton. They currently need to resign all of the players they're giving us in this trade next year, where they also are potentially going to be paying MacKinnon 12m+. Giving them two years of ELC Lundell and cheap 3m Duclair benefits them big time. They don't have to resign Byram, they don't have to resign Newhook, and they don't need to pay Kaut either. On the flip side, Florida, already pretty cap-strapped and needing to improve their team through UFA next season, would have to immediately resign Byram, Newhook, and Kaut (potentially to big deals if they perform well), alongside Carlsson, Knight, Balcers, and potentially White. So it doesn't make sense for Florida from a money standpoint. I'd rather take the two years of Lundell and Duclair and sign someone like Sanheim next year (or trade for him this year).
But I think the biggest point here is simply that neither team would realistically want to do this. Colorado likes Byram/Newhook, and Florida likes Lundell (and Duclair, for that matter).
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Armchair-GM
16 août 2022 à 17 h 38
Sujet:
Team is YUCK
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Xqb15a</b></div><div>DuClair has been on 6 teams for a reason, on top of that FLA would be getting a 1st and Kaut who on another team is firmly ensconced in a bottom 6 role. Make no mistake COL isn’t doing this trade ever, I’m just saying FLA jumps all over that all day long and twice on days that end in Y.</div></div>
Duclair has found his stride here. 6 teams is an invalid argument for trading him, especially since he just scored 30 goals with us (also, check out his advanced offensive stats. He's nuts). Coming from the defending champs, who are in line to potentially win again, that 1st is probably going to be the worst of the bunch, and I'm not sold on Kaut. Not to mention all three players are RFAs after this year, whereas Lundell and Duclair still have two years left each on their deals. It's too much of a gamble for me to say that Florida would accept, but if you think so, agree to disagree.
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Armchair-GM
16 août 2022 à 15 h 17
Sujet:
Team is YUCK
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Xqb15a</b></div><div>FLA would jump that trade like there is no tomorrow.</div></div>
I wouldn't. Lundell has been amazing so far, and while Newhook could end up like him, that's more of a bet than just letting Lundell continue to develop and take over as our 2C in a season or two. As for Byram, yeah he's good, but again, there's no guarantee he'll turn out as good as Lundell is projecting to be. He could very well, but in the Avs system; coming to Florida could change his entire development. Plus, we give up Duclair in this trade, who's been an absolute animal for us the past two seasons (playoffs weren't great, but whatever, we weren't great either).
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Armchair-GM
16 août 2022 à 13 h 29
Sujet:
Team is YUCK
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Canesfan21_</b></div><div>That Florida trade is indeed yuck for Colorado</div></div>
It's also yuck for Florida lol. Let's just forget this ever happened and enjoy our players/prospects while we have them.
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Armchair-GM
12 août 2022 à 15 h 36
Sujet:
Realistic
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>TheRealisticGuy</b></div><div>Pacioretty + a young RHD for nothing
Nemeth costed two 2nd round picks to dump and he was making 2.5M (for 2 years tho)
Petry traded for nothing and we had to take Matheson contract
A 2nd seems like a weak return for taking Hornqvist cap hit</div></div>
I wouldn't necessarily use Pacioretty as a basis for trades, since Vegas has notoriously been bad at asset management.
Nemeth is a good point, but he's also really bad. Hornqvist is actually a good player; so good, in fact, that I do honestly wish we could keep him. He's a good leader, a great net-front presence, solid defensive guy, and he can play up and down the lineup.
And the Petry - Matheson trade wasn't a cap dump, nor did you "take on" Matheson's contract. He's a good player, as is Petry.
Maybe a 2nd seems cheap, but like I said: for the right team I could see it happening. Worst case, Panthers add a prospect. But Hornqvist has solid value; if we're only asking for FC back, we could definitely move him for a lot cheaper than someone as bad as Nemeth.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
12 août 2022 à 14 h 19
Sujet:
Realistic
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>RaZZe</b></div><div>The Panthers could also become cap compliant by moving Montour for a cheaper defenseman. I'm thinking Carson Soucy.
I'd say Soucy and Montour are on par with each other. Montour has a year more on his contract so Seattle would get more contract clarity by acquiring him.
However, that would only make the Panthers cap compliant until Duclair comes back</div></div>
That's very true, and I wish they'd done that before free-agency began. But Zito had other plans. Since he's stuck around this long, I feel like Zito wants to keep him. Personally, I think his offense was really solid and his underlying numbers aren't terrible, so I would love to move him because I think we could potentially get a much better return than just Soucy. But again, I have a gut feeling that Zito wants to stick with his early acquisitions (Monty, Swaggy, Duke, etc).
Forum:
Armchair-GM
12 août 2022 à 14 h 17
Sujet:
Realistic
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>GiggywithGibby</b></div><div>Hornqvist dump will likely cost a 2023 2nd round pick. We can send a warm body back over such as Grant (would retain on him because why not, its 750k) or Carrick, but we wouldn't send anyone young or good unless we get market rate for them on top of the dump, and it would be a steep price because he is fitting into our rebuild time/plan perfectly.</div></div>
I was thinking a 2nd as well. Don't necessarily need a player back, though. At least not the way I've worked things out.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
12 août 2022 à 14 h 16
Sujet:
Realistic
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>TheRealisticGuy</b></div><div>Forsling-Ekblad
?-Montour
Carlsson-Gudas
Staal
Zito need to find the right LHD who could fit with FLO
Hornqvist will cost a lot to dump IMO
Teams knows he is overpaid and FLO HAS to move him to be cap compliant
Like Grigorenko type of asset
Why are Panthers fans so high on Anton Levtchi ?</div></div>
Personally I'd like to have a LD to pair with Ekblad so Forsling can play with Gudas, but at this rate I'll take any warm body that's actually half decent, position be damned. Since Montour can play LD, I thought Holl could work since he'd probably be cheap to acquire.
I agree that Hornqvist will be costly to move, but to the right team I think a 2023 2nd could work (as several other people have mentioned). I think it's possible to run a 20-man roster with Duclair on LTIR, so we have time to work out the best possible deal for moving him. Either way, I imagine he'll be gone, but I'm not Bill Zito so who knows at this point?
I'm not super high on Levtchi, but he was the leading scorer in Finland's top league, so there's potential (I also heard that Barkov personally scouted him?). He could easily have good chemistry with either Lundell or Barkov, so I chucked him in there to fill in a roster spot while Duclair is injured.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
12 août 2022 à 13 h 17
Sujet:
Realistic
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Salzy</b></div><div>Takes at least a second with Hornqvist for FCs
Lundestrom has a good bit of value, 2018 first rounder developing as expected for a 3C spot, no real reason for ANA to trade him for less than a late first</div></div>
That's kinda what I thought, and the main reason I didn't trade for him. I also thought a 2nd rounder would be what it takes to move Hornqvist.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
12 août 2022 à 13 h 16
Sujet:
Realistic
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>gary_gobbler</b></div><div>Holl is a cap dump, no need to pay that much even if he wasn't a cap dump.</div></div>
But would he be that cheap coming from a third-party that's flipping him at 50% retention?
Forum:
Armchair-GM
12 août 2022 à 12 h 30
Sujet:
Barkov could very much win the Hart this season
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>vr1995</b></div><div>i know but im saying, if youre gonna use the "if barkov was healthy for 82" you have to do the same for other players which changes this</div></div>
Fair. Although, tbf, I think OP was just using his 82 game pace to give a Hart case for this upcoming season.
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Armchair-GM
12 août 2022 à 12 h 29
Sujet:
Barkov could very much win the Hart this season
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MisstheWhalers</b></div><div>Wait what??! I don't see a ton of Panthers games so forgive my ignorance here but Huberdeau and Barkov weren't on the same line?!!!</div></div>
Nope, lol. It always surprises people. They used to, but Quenneville split them up to help with our depth. It worked pretty damn well, too.
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Armchair-GM
12 août 2022 à 12 h 0
Sujet:
Barkov could very much win the Hart this season
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>vr1995</b></div><div>Barkov one of my fav players but you can also argue if Matthews played all 82 he would have a shot at the art ross as well as the rocket and hart</div></div>
Of course, but that's not the point of this post. He's just talking about Barkov. Besides, Matthews won the Hart and Rocket anyway.
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Armchair-GM
12 août 2022 à 12 h 0
Sujet:
Barkov could very much win the Hart this season
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Iggy1919</b></div><div>right, mb. shoulda double checked beforehand lmao. but agreed. ive thought he's had hart potential for some time now, last season proved that</div></div>
To be fair, that pace is going off of what he did, not what he <strong>could</strong> have done. If he went on a crazy scoring streak, he could've hit 120.
Kinda weird to think that Aleksander Barkov could've gotten close to scoring 60 goals with a little bit of luck. Imagine if he'd played a whole 82 games with Huberdeau as his primary linemate? Wouldn't have helped the team's depth, but he definitely would've scored 50+.
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Armchair-GM
12 août 2022 à 11 h 56
Sujet:
Barkov could very much win the Hart this season
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Nighthawk</b></div><div>Going to be moved to forums like my last ACGM that wasn’t one lol
Back on topic it’s woulda coulda shoulda. Focus should be on staying healthy 1st & let the chips fall.</div></div>
I agree. If he can stay healthy, he'll easily be in Hart talks. Especially if he has good chemistry with Tkachuk, which I'm really banking on.
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Armchair-GM
12 août 2022 à 11 h 54
Sujet:
Barkov could very much win the Hart this season
<strong>Finally</strong>, someone says it. I've been talking about it all summer with my hockey friends; if he was healthy, Barkov would've been in Hart talks this past season. In his last 82 games (which is taken from the two seasons which he played with Verhaeghe + whoever they could find to play RW, not Huberdeau), he scored 50 goals and 105 points while also playing Selke level defense. That's just crazy. He's the next Bergeron, just with more offense and a little less defense.
Although, one minor note, your math is a little off. As much as I'd like him to have been on pace for 120 points, he played 67 games, not 60. So his pace was actually around 110, not 120. Still, absolutely bonkers that nobody talked about it. The man's primary linemates this past season were Carter Verhaeghe and Anthony Duclair/Maxim Mamin. He only played with Huberdeau when the team was trailing badly, which happened more than you would expect but still not enough to say that Huby carried him (especially since his production didn't just skyrocket those few times they did play together).
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