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Isles Cap Shenanigans

Créé par: jMoneyBrah
Équipe: 2024-25 Sharks de San Jose
Date de création initiale: 8 juin 2024
Publié: 8 juin 2024
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Description
TLDR; Sharks trade for Lee and Pageau, buy them out, Islanders resign both for two years at the value of the unpaid portion of their buyouts. Islanders get $9M in additional cap space, and Lee + Pageau for a combined cap hit of $3M for two years.



The idea here is for the Sharks to leverage their ample cap space and buyout slots to effectively restructure some contracts for the Isles, reducing cap hits for two players, while ensuring they get full value for their contracts; and earn some draft assets for the trouble.

The targeted players for this, Lee and Pageau, are both due less salary than their respective cap hits for the remaining two years on their contracts. This means that the Islanders would be able to re-sign both players for less than a third of their current cap hits while still making their contract whole (granted one third of their remaining contracts would be paid over two additional years by the Sharks)


LEE
Current Cap Hit: $7M x 2
Salary Remaining: $10.35M
Sharks Buyout Salary Paid: $6.9M / 4 years
New Contract with Islanders: $1.75M x 2


PAGEAU
Current Cap Hit: $5M x 2
Salary Remaining: $7.5M
Sharks Buyout Salary Paid: $5M / 4 years
New Contract with Islanders: $1.25M x 2
Transactions
SJS
  1. Lee, Anders
  2. Pageau, Jean-Gabriel
  3. Choix de 1e ronde en 2024 (TBL)
  4. Choix de 2e ronde en 2024 (LAK)
Détails additionnels:
Sharks buyout both players.
NYI
  1. Choix de 7e ronde en 2024 (SJS)
Détails additionnels:
Islanders re-sign both players at the rate of the unpaid portion of their contracts due to the buyouts:

Lee: $1.75M x 2
Pageau: $1.25m x 2
Rachats de contrats
Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire
Enfoui
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2025
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TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
1387 700 000 $55 604 167 $0 $4 550 000 $32 095 833 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
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2 000 000 $2 000 000 $
AG, AD
RFA - 1
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5 000 000 $5 000 000 $
C, AD
UFA - 1
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1 450 000 $1 450 000 $
AD
RFA - 1
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863 333 $863 333 $ (Bonis de performance850 000 $$850K)
AG
RFA - 2
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2 000 000 $2 000 000 $
C
UFA - 1
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941 667 $941 667 $ (Bonis de performance500 000 $$500K)
AD, C
RFA - 2
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800 000 $800 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
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950 000 $950 000 $ (Bonis de performance3 200 000 $$3M)
C
RFA - 3
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
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7 000 000 $7 000 000 $
DG/DD
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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2 350 000 $2 350 000 $
G
UFA - 1
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3 250 000 $3 250 000 $
DG
UFA - 2
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2 750 000 $2 750 000 $
DG/DD
UFA - 1
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1 100 000 $1 100 000 $
DG/DD
UFA - 2
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
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8 000 000 $8 000 000 $
C
M-NTC
UFA - 3
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3 400 000 $3 400 000 $
G
UFA - 1
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1 250 000 $1 250 000 $
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UFA - 2

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8 juin à 3 h 54
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Why buy out Lee and Pageau? Just keep them. I think they could both be good fits for the Sharks, especially Lee. Lee and Celebrini could be like Foligno and Bedard. Lee could be a great mentor and protector for young Sharks. We coukd use a power forward. Pageau could be 3C if Couture can't come back and Bords and Smith aren't ready. If you buy them out, you just spread their cap hits over more years. If you keep them their cap hits go away before our young stars ELC's expire and we need the cap space.
8 juin à 4 h 31
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Quoting: RecycleShark
Why buy out Lee and Pageau? Just keep them. I think they could both be good fits for the Sharks, especially Lee. Lee and Celebrini could be like Foligno and Bedard. Lee could be a great mentor and protector for young Sharks. We coukd use a power forward. Pageau could be 3C if Couture can't come back and Bords and Smith aren't ready. If you buy them out, you just spread their cap hits over more years. If you keep them their cap hits go away before our young stars ELC's expire and we need the cap space.


I don’t disagree. This scenario is more around if the Isles actually wanted to retain both players but also free up cap space. It’s kinda a fantasy land hypothetical, as I couldn’t see both players waiving to go to San Jose then waivers where they could be picked up, hypothetically, by any team. However, if they did make it through waivers they could sign new contracts with the Islanders at a greatly reduced cap hit. On the other hand, I think it could work because the buyout period is before the draft and free agency and both contracts aren’t particularly good value cap-wise, and teams are likely making plans to sign their own players and free agents and don’t have $5-7M laying around to add Lee or Pageau from the waiver wire.

Islanders get $9M in cap space, keep Lee and Pageau at a combined $3M cap hit, and both players don’t have to move their life and get all the money from their current contracts.

From the Sharks perspective they get the 1st and an additional 2nd. The 3rd/4th year cap hits of the buyouts are $3M each year combined for both players; so not terribly constraining.
8 juin à 5 h 57
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The league blocks this. While I don't believe it's explicitly stated in the CBA, they have the catch-all "anything we deem circumvention" rule. I'm drawing a blank on it now, but after the lockout in 2012 there were a few stories about a team looking into doing this with their compliance buyout (no cap penalty) and having it blocked by the league.

From the wikipedia article on compliance buyouts:
Quote:
After using a compliance buyout on a player, that player is prohibited from rejoining the team that bought him out for one year; the NHL deemed that the re-signing of a player following a trade and a subsequent compliance buyout would be ruled as cap circumvention


I get that this is slightly different since at least some team has cap penalties for the player but I can't see it being permitted here either because the purpose is clearly the same.
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8 juin à 7 h 16
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The league blocks this. While I don't believe it's explicitly stated in the CBA, they have the catch-all "anything we deem circumvention" rule. I'm drawing a blank on it now, but after the lockout in 2012 there were a few stories about a team looking into doing this with their compliance buyout (no cap penalty) and having it blocked by the league.

From the wikipedia article on compliance buyouts:


I get that this is slightly different since at least some team has cap penalties for the player but I can't see it being permitted here either because the purpose is clearly the same.


Not that ima sit here and say anyone is wrong to doubt this is possible. It is, indeed, a shenanigan. That being said, if a pair of GMs had the brass ones to try this I think it’s gotta stand, as:

A) As you said, and as far as I can tell, there is no rule that prevents this from happening.

B) There’s no free lunch, one team is absorbing the entire brunt of the buyout, and the original team still needs to sign the players back. IMO this is materially different from the compliance buyouts as there is cap penalties being applied within the system.

C) All other teams would have the opportunity block this from happening by claiming either player as they must go through waivers prior to the buyout being enacted. Similarly as the players would be part of the UFA pool they could be signed by any team. In short all teams have the ability to either forcefully stop this by claiming the contract on waivers; or outbid the players original team in the UFA market.

Mostly, I think this doesn’t happen because what player holding an NTC would willingly waive it on the odd chance they get claimed by their least favored destination.
8 juin à 9 h 20
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I do this trade all day and just keep them
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8 juin à 13 h 20
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Not that ima sit here and say anyone is wrong to doubt this is possible. It is, indeed, a shenanigan. That being said, if a pair of GMs had the brass ones to try this I think it’s gotta stand, as:

A) As you said, and as far as I can tell, there is no rule that prevents this from happening.

B) There’s no free lunch, one team is absorbing the entire brunt of the buyout, and the original team still needs to sign the players back. IMO this is materially different from the compliance buyouts as there is cap penalties being applied within the system.

C) All other teams would have the opportunity block this from happening by claiming either player as they must go through waivers prior to the buyout being enacted. Similarly as the players would be part of the UFA pool they could be signed by any team. In short all teams have the ability to either forcefully stop this by claiming the contract on waivers; or outbid the players original team in the UFA market.

Mostly, I think this doesn’t happen because what player holding an NTC would willingly waive it on the odd chance they get claimed by their least favored destination.


Considering they have a rule against buying out a player yourself and re-signing them (in which case other teams would have the option to prevent it by claiming the player or outbidding them) and they've specifically ruled that this circumstance with compliance buyouts was cap circumvention, I really can't see them saying it's alright here.

As far as players not wanting to take the gamble they'd be claimed somewhere they don't want to play, when the Leafs wanted the cap space from Marleau's contract he only wanted to either stay in Toronto or come back to San Jose. He was willing to waive to go to Carolina so they'd buy him out and he could sign in San Jose for league minimum.
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8 juin à 21 h 35
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Yes i think the sharks would do this and keep at least Lee to help with the young players
 
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