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Pandemonium (Hanifin, Backstrom, Orpik, Pacioretty, Galchenyuk, Juulsen)

Créé par: We_Want_The_Cup
Équipe: 2017-18 Canadiens de Montréal
Date de création initiale: 29 juill. 2017
Publié: 29 juill. 2017
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Description
I get a "Be a GM for a day" pass and turn on the Chaotic Good in me, all hell breaks loose.

Obviously, this team's success is highly contingent on the development of our youth. If each of our youth becomes even slightly better than before, this becomes a championship team. If half of them stagnate, this becomes a wildcard/out-of-playoffs team. So I'm depending on rookies and sophomores Lehkonen, Hudon, Hanifin, Jerabek the most, and to a lesser degree, young professionals Drouin, Gallagher, Danault.

Jerabek and Streit will fight each other for a roster spot as 3rd pairing offensive defenseman. Benn and Orpik will fight each other for a roster spot as 3rd pairind defensive defenseman. Schlemko was sent down even though he would be a great defensive shot-blocking option as 5-6D, but likely a touch inferior to both Benn and Orpik.


AND while we're at it, I essentially now have two 1st round picks in the deep draft, instead of the original one 1st rnd, two 2nd rnd.

DISCLAIMER: I know these trades won't happen in real life. While I'm confident I'm close to fair value with both trades, I don't think any of the GM's would pull the trigger on huge risky trades like these.
Transactions
1.
MTL
  1. Hanifin, Noah
  2. Choix de 1e ronde en 2018 (CAR)
CAR
  1. Pacioretty, Max
  2. Choix de 2e ronde en 2018 (CHI)
2.
MTL
  1. Bäckström, Nicklas
  2. Orpik, Brooks
Détails additionnels:
(Orpik as negative value cap dump)
WSH
  1. Davidson, Brandon (712 500 $ retained)
  2. Galchenyuk, Alex
  3. Juulsen, Noah
  4. Choix de 2e ronde en 2018 (MTL)
  5. Choix de 1e ronde en 2019 (MTL)
Détails additionnels:
(Juulsen as 2015 1st round D prospect, Davidson as cheap 6th D, Galchenyuk as 2C under Kuzy)
Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire
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2019
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2020
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TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2375 000 000 $66 500 476 $0 $1 150 000 $8 499 524 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
5 500 000 $5 500 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 6
6 700 000 $6 700 000 $
C
M-NTC
UFA - 3
839 166 $839 166 $
AG, AD
UFA - 2
650 000 $650 000 $
C, AG, AD
UFA - 2
912 500 $912 500 $
C
UFA - 1
3 750 000 $3 750 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 4
1 166 667 $1 166 667 $
AG, AD
UFA - 2
3 000 000 $3 000 000 $
C
UFA - 1
1 000 000 $1 000 000 $
AD
UFA - 1
725 000 $725 000 $
C, AG
UFA - 1
3 900 000 $3 900 000 $
C, AD
UFA - 5
1 200 000 $1 200 000 $
C, AD
UFA - 1
675 000 $675 000 $
C
UFA - 1
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
925 000 $925 000 $ (Bonis de performance850 000 $$850K)
DG
UFA - 1
7 857 143 $7 857 143 $
DD
UFA - 9
6 500 000 $6 500 000 $
G
NMC
UFA - 1
4 625 000 $4 625 000 $
DG
M-NTC
UFA - 5
5 500 000 $5 500 000 $
DD
NMC
UFA - 4
1 062 500 $1 062 500 $
G
UFA - 2
925 000 $925 000 $
DG
UFA - 1
1 100 000 $1 100 000 $
DG/DD
UFA - 2
5 500 000 $5 500 000 $
DG
UFA - 2
700 000 $700 000 $ (Bonis de performance300 000 $$300K)
DD
UFA - 1

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Are these trades at fair value (ignoring need and realism)?
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29 juill. 2017 à 13 h 45
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I'm gonna be very critical, but you know anything can happen in Hockey.

The Caps trade is okay. The idea of getting Backstrom is very realistic, but not this offseason, I would say next year.
The Orpik cap dump doesn't make as much sense now because it would be like if they gave away Johanson for almost nothing for no reason.
I say Capitals will make one more run at the cup, they still have core players.


I don't know about the Hurricanes trade.
Pacioretty for Hanifin doesn't make much sense for both teams... Only 2 years left on his contract before turning UFA... Doubt the Canes will be contenders as soon as his contract is up, and they're not 100% he would resign. Habs do get a young future left handed elite defenseman for that top line, but they also trade away their top goalscorer...
Hurricanes also trade much needed lottery pick...

Weird trade.


If both trades go through, the Habs top 6 seems fairly weak, relying too much on unproven players...
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29 juill. 2017 à 15 h 41
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Quoting: CritikedARMCHAIRGM
I'm gonna be very critical, but you know anything can happen in Hockey.

The Caps trade is okay. The idea of getting Backstrom is very realistic, but not this offseason, I would say next year.
The Orpik cap dump doesn't make as much sense now because it would be like if they gave away Johanson for almost nothing for no reason.
I say Capitals will make one more run at the cup, they still have core players.


I don't know about the Hurricanes trade.
Pacioretty for Hanifin doesn't make much sense for both teams... Only 2 years left on his contract before turning UFA... Doubt the Canes will be contenders as soon as his contract is up, and they're not 100% he would resign. Habs do get a young future left handed elite defenseman for that top line, but they also trade away their top goalscorer...
Hurricanes also trade much needed lottery pick...

Weird trade.


If both trades go through, the Habs top 6 seems fairly weak, relying too much on unproven players...


That's about as fair an assessment as it gets. Have to give you major, major respect for that.

1. For the Caps trade, indeed you're right. The intention for this trade was rather before they lost Johanson, so at this point, this trade can only happen either at the deadline if Caps are underperforming (don't expect that to happen at all), or at the next offseason as you said unless they make the finals, in which case Backstrom stays most probably. However, at that point, I'm not too sure an Orpik cap dump becomes as crucial... We'll have to wait and see. I haven't done my research on the Caps beyond this season.

2. As for the Canes, it'll depend if they want to challenge for the wildcard spot within two years, but only if they couple it with one more move. As for a re-sign, major players who just walk (for reasons other than money or term) are very rare. Canes can afford a Pacioretty re-sign until the end of his career in the mid-future. However, clearly this trade could only happen with an impatient GM who wants to accelerate his rebuild. I was thinking that MIGHT be a possibility, with rumblings of a relocation going around. Having a winning team sure helps bring fans in though! I don't know, just a jab, though I'm aware the odds of seeing such a weird trade is rare. A more reasonable return the Canes should be interested in is Galchenyuk.

On further detail for my motives of doing this trade, I am aware that this will cause regular-season woes. However, our LW depth of scorers goes way off the chart as we stand now (if you account for Drouin, Galchenyuk, Pacioretty, Lehkonen, Byron, Hudon, and to a lesser extent the lower level prospects in De la Rose, Carr, ...). Most importantly, Pacioretty is infamous for being a playoffs ghost, so selling high on him while he still has two years left would be my best bet. Give value to get value.

Finally, you make a very solid point saying that I'm relying too much on unproven players. Precisely, and I'm taking a risky approach to this team that could either explode way beyond expectations or flounder way under expectations. All I know is that we can't stay a "good, but not good enough" steady team forever. In hockey, some risk has to be taken in trusting the Guentzel's and Rust's of your team (unless you have the luxury of not needing to). So for this particular team, I'm confident that the top line will be an offensive powerhouse, especially since Backstrom improves everybody around him. The next line is a big question mark... If Hudon turns out to be the pure offensive player he seems to be, then it'll be a decent second line with playmaking/scoring, playmaking, and possession/netfront. The following lines are defensively responsible lines who can easily chip in points when need be. I'd personally prefer Shaw to be utilized on the third line, but it seems we've acquired Hemsky to play with fellow Czech Plekanec... So I'll follow along.


Anyway, thanks for your time!
 
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