A top goalie in the league and a true number 1 defenceman for a high pricetag winger who disappears in the playoffs + a box of scraps? Marner only had 15 more points than Dobson!

I think literally nobody properly rates Marner, probably including me. But unless the Isles think they've given Sorokin an 8 year deal and him turning into a pumpkin last year is going to be permanent, they aren't trading him AND another roster player for him, regardless of it being Dobson or either of the bangers.

I think a general undervaluing of Marner is probably accurate to how GM's will view him. Most people tilt towards a regular season bias, which bodes well in Marner's favour, but GM's want those players who can pull a team through the playoffs (especially for $11m). The problem is we have SO much data of Marner's playoff performance, and none of it is good. I don't think Leaf's fans will be particularly happy with the return, unless it fits their unique need - a number 1 goalie, or some solid defender(s)

I think Leaf fans are going to be disappointed too lol. Marner is being destroyed though. Marner has scored at a better than 90 point pace every year since 2017-18. He's 9th in scoring in that time frame. He's also one of our best penalty killers and the anchor of the PP which has finished top 5 each of the last 4 years. The ONLY player in the NHL to also score at a point per game and play more than 2 minutes on the PP and PK this season is Sam Reinhart. Slide that down to 1:50 on the PK and you add Barkov, Eichel, and Zibanejad. That's obviously not the best judge of anything, but there are very few players that take on the kind of burden that Marner does for Toronto.

He was terrible in the playoffs this year, he was terrible against Florida last year, he hasn't been good in the playoffs. Not gonna pretend. But you still have to get there. The Leafs WILL take a step back next season no matter who they get back for Marner. There are teams that can add Marner and have the pieces around him that will make up for his playoff disappearances and his regular season dominance will help get them to the spot where those guys matter. The Leafs will be disappointed by the return, but I've seen trade ideas where the Leafs are getting like a bad contract, a mediocre prospect, and a combination of non 1st round picks and the return won't be that low.

that top goalie in the league was sat in playoffs good sir

C'mon man, don't make me explain recency bias to you. Just go look at his career stats. He's a top goalie - you know it, I know it, we all know it.