Your values are too in favor of PIT on most of these trades.

EDM finds your proposal pathetically lacking in value. 16 games doesn't make Ned suddenly worth much and, as much as you may want it, Acciari won't return much of anything (if anything at all) given his combination of poor performance and remaining contract. For a team like EDM, he's a distinct negative asset.

We probably have to pay for rakell to go, bad season plus one of the worst contracts on the team, this looks like a chel franchise mode on rookie settings

While I think EDM should definitely use their 1st toward acquiring a more impactful player, a 50% retained Ned can certainly return a late 2nd from the right team. He has been outstanding.

I am not defending this ACGM by any means, but Rakell does not have negative value. He has performed at a solid pace since returning from injury. I will agree that his value is as low as it’s been, and now is not the time to move him, but Rakell does not have negative value.

You may end up being right, but I really don't think team's often give up 2nd rounders for a goalie with as tenuous of a history as Ned, even if he's been good this year. I could see a 3rd.

Maybe not negative value but I dont think any team wants to take a chance on him at the deadline. He can make a huge turnover but its not guarenteed

lol thanks

as if EDM never overpays for anyone lol. and btw this isn't a crazy trade, it is an overpayment definitely but there are also other things to consider:

- EDM is considered to be a contending team that can't waste any more of 97s time and the first will be used to acquire somebody.
- biggest position of need is goaltending.
- EDM cap space is non existent.
- there aren't many other goalies that are playing as well as Ned with a 750k cap hit.
- and imo you got acciari's value wrong... he isn't a point machine obviously but defensively and for playoff hockey he is very underrated. he has value definitely. I'd say a 3rd.
- so I believe fair prices are a 2nd for ned and a 3rd for acciari... so not very far from the trade proposal


considering also Dubas being a better gm is going to make it a first lol

I'll address your points in order:

1.) Sure, there's a press to maximise the McDrai era, but that doesn't mean they're going to throw a 1st at just anybody. They spent a 1st on Ekholm but haven't traded a 1st otherwise. No reason to think there bar suddenly dropped from a high-end veteran Dman with term to an overpaid 4th liner with term + a fringe goalie UFA that's having a good year.

2.) Care to elaborate on a.) why EDM's biggest position of need is goaltending and b.) do so while also articulating how Ned fills that need? Both Skinner and Pickard have been good to great since the coaching/systems change and, the only 'need' in this area is if they decide they'd like an established, consistent veteran who they can lean on in the event of an injury to Skinner.

3.) Yes, now connect that dot to your inclusion of Noel Acciari's 2mil cap hit.

4.) Sure, but are the other options more affordable relative to what they'd be tasked with doing (backing up Skinner)? I'd say yes. For example, I'd rather pay a 4th or 5th for Reimer than a 2nd for Ned.

5.) This doesn't change the fact that his performance this year isn't worth 2mil. Factor in that he has 2 more years at that rate, he's 32 years old, he has no consistent history of offensive production, and see point #3 and you'll grasp that, even if there exists a hypothetical team out there that might pay a 3rd for him, that team isn't EDM.

6.) And I've laid out my reasons to the contrary. I see Ned as worth around a 3rd and Acciari costing around a 3rd to dump.

well we have different views on both of them.

Ned is not only having better numbers than the goalies you mentioned, he has them despite one of the worst defense in the recent year of the pens, sure edm defensive game wasn't great at the start of the season as well but by now has improved... not the pens one lol.

Strictly as a goaltender comparison I am positive that ned starts over skinner. now we can debate over contracts team chemistry and whatever but we aren't in the organisation so we don't know. I'd personally much rather have Ned in a 1a 1b situation (even as a 1b) than stick with the tandem you have now.

As for the acciari conversation I believe he is worth 2mil per year even if he scores 0 points. he is a machine in defense and pk. he definitely has value maybe not to edm (whose bottom 6 could need a little help and yes Acciari is an upgrade over some of those players)

I get this point "might pay a 3rd for him, that team isn't EDM." I'll just trade him to another team but overall I believe this values aren't far from what we would get if we decide to trade at the tdl
"- so I believe fair prices are a 2nd for ned and a 3rd for acciari"