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DépartStatutSalaire retenuCap hit effectifFormationSPCListe de réserveChoix 1e rd2e et 3e rd4e à 7e rdPJGAPMBA%EFF
Huberdeau, JonathanFlames de CalgaryLNH-10 500 000 $011---4061420--
Markström, JacobFlames de CalgaryLNH-6 000 000 $011-------2.670.908
Greer, AJFlames de CalgaryLNH50%381 250 $011---396410--
ArrivéeStatutSalaire retenuCap hit effectifFormationSPCListe de réserveChoix 1e rd2e et 3e rd4e à 7e rdPJGAPMBA%EFF
Palat, OndrejDevils du New JerseyLNH-6 000 000 $011---355914--
Meier, TimoDevils du New JerseyIR-8 800 000 $011---289615--
VariationEspace sous le plafond salarialFormationSPCListe de réserveChoix 1e rd2e et 3e rd4e à 7e rdPJGAPMBA%EFF
Initial4 755 167 $2245643710
Variation2 081 250 $-2-1-1000
Final6 836 417 $ (↑)20 (↓)44 (↓)63 (↓)37102-3-1

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Transaction simultanéeStatut initialNouveau statutImpact sur la masse salarialeFormationSPCListe de réserveChoix 1e rd2e et 3e rd4e à 7e rdPJGAPMBA%EFF
Daws, NicoLNHMineures-850 833 $-1-----------
DépartStatutSalaire retenuCap hit effectifFormationSPCListe de réserveChoix 1e rd2e et 3e rd4e à 7e rdPJGAPMBA%EFF
Palat, OndrejDevils du New JerseyLNH-6 000 000 $011---355914--
Meier, TimoDevils du New JerseyIR-8 800 000 $011---289615--
ArrivéeStatutSalaire retenuCap hit effectifFormationSPCListe de réserveChoix 1e rd2e et 3e rd4e à 7e rdPJGAPMBA%EFF
Huberdeau, JonathanFlames de CalgaryLNH-10 500 000 $011---4061420--
Markström, JacobFlames de CalgaryLNH-6 000 000 $011-------2.670.908
Greer, AJFlames de CalgaryLNH50%381 250 $011---396410--
VariationEspace sous le plafond salarialFormationSPCListe de réserveChoix 1e rd2e et 3e rd4e à 7e rdPJGAPMBA%EFF
Initial1 050 833 $2244663511
Variation-1 230 417 $111000
Final-179 584 $ (↓)23 (↑)45 (↑)67 (↑)3511-231
9 janv. à 13 h 1
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Missing 4 1sts to dump the huberdeau contract
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Missing 4 1sts to dump the huberdeau contract


No because dumping Meier and Palat are 3, 1sts to dump them and Marky is worth a 1st.
9 janv. à 13 h 25
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No because dumping Meier and Palat are 3, 1sts to dump them and Marky is worth a 1st.


Meier=1st+ to acquire
Palat=2 to dump
Markstrom=nothing
Huberdeau=4 to dump

Sorry you’re only missing 3 1sts+.
9 janv. à 13 h 34
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Meier=1st+ to acquire
Palat=2 to dump
Markstrom=nothing
Huberdeau=4 to dump

Sorry you’re only missing 3 1sts+.


wrong Meier 2 to dump,Palat 1 to dump,at least.sure its your fantasty Huberdeau 4 to dump.but your living in your parents basement,if you think the flames best player Marky has no worth.
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wrong Meier 2 to dump,Palat 1 to dump,at least.sure its your fantasty Huberdeau 4 to dump.but your living in your parents basement,if you think the flames best player Marky has no worth.


Meier as a player in a vacuum based on age, performance when healthy, and play style is worth 4-5 mill more than huberdeau so over 8 years that’s 32-40 mill. Then we have to consider the 13.6 mill more that huberdeau makes.

That’s between 45 and 54 mill more in value that Meier provides. So at the going rate of 5-6 mill for a 1st, Meier is worth about 9 1sts more than Huberdeau.

Even if you drop the gap to 2 mill AAV, it’s still 30 mill difference in value, or 5-6 1sts
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This Trade isn't fair. The value isn't there
9 janv. à 13 h 50
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Meier as a player in a vacuum based on age, performance when healthy, and play style is worth 4-5 mill more than huberdeau so over 8 years that’s 32-40 mill. Then we have to consider the 13.6 mill more that huberdeau makes.

That’s between 45 and 54 mill more in value that Meier provides. So at the going rate of 5-6 mill for a 1st, Meier is worth about 9 1sts more than Huberdeau.

Even if you drop the gap to 2 mill AAV, it’s still 30 mill difference in value, or 5-6 1sts


i dont know which Timo Meier you have watched,but the one in jersey has been a complete bust,who is signed to a 8 yr deal.but the goalie in this deal Marky is 2 yrs removed from being 2nd in the vezina voting,and on the 2nd allstar team.Marky is currently single handly keeping calgary in a playoff hunt with his outstanding play.and guess what hes exactly what jersey needs,because vanecek might be the worst starting goalie in the nhl.
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i dont know which Timo Meier you have watched,but the one in jersey has been a complete bust,who is signed to a 8 yr deal.but the goalie in this deal Marky is 2 yrs removed from being 2nd in the vezina voting,and on the 2nd allstar team.Marky is currently single handly keeping calgary in a playoff hunt with his outstanding play.and guess what hes exactly what jersey needs,because vanecek might be the worst starting goalie in the nhl.


If we trade for markstrom we do not get his past production. We get his future production. In 2/4 years he’s been a bad goalie, and he’s about to turn 34. Odds are he isn’t worth his contract.

Meier has played through an injury. When healthy he’s been a PPG this year

I’d offer Meier the same deal again, at worst I’d cut it down to 8. Wouldn’t give Hubderdeau more than 4 mill AAV on an 8 year deal tho
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If we trade for markstrom we do not get his past production. We get his future production. In 2/4 years he’s been a bad goalie, and he’s about to turn 34. Odds are he isn’t worth his contract.

Meier has played through an injury. When healthy he’s been a PPG this year

I’d offer Meier the same deal again, at worst I’d cut it down to 8. Wouldn’t give Hubderdeau more than 4 mill AAV on an 8 year deal tho


past production indicates future production,as does his current production,which is outstanding for Marky.if you would offer Meier 8 yrs again,then theres no point, i cant help you.your beyond help.
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past production indicates future production,as does his current production,which is outstanding for Marky.if you would offer Meier 8 yrs again,then theres no point, i cant help you.your beyond help.


Meier over the last 2 years outside of a stretch when he was very clearly playing through an injury that significantly impacted his skating: 97 games, 49 goals, 81 points
Huberdeau over the last 2 years: 119 games, 21 goals, 75 points.

Yeah I'll take meier by a long shot. Now take into consideration he's 4 years younger, more physical, and better defensively. I'd say at least a 4 mill gap there. + the 1.7 mill difference in contract and meier provides 46 mill more in surplus value than Huberdeau

Even Palat is better than Huberdeau. If Palat at 6 mill for 4 years is 2 1sts to dump, what is the worse huberdeau at 10.5 mill. Even assuming equal, that's 2 1sts for the first 4 years for huberdeau, + another 18 million dollars in salary over those 2 years. I'll be generous and say thats only 2 extra 1sts to dump. So 4 1sts for the next 4 years of Huberdeau. Then obviously huberdeau will continue to decline so the last 4 years will be even pricier. so 5.

If palat costs 2 1sts to dump, Huberdeau costs 9. And his contract is impossible to buy out
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past production indicates future production,as does his current production,which is outstanding for Marky.if you would offer Meier 8 yrs again,then theres no point, i cant help you.your beyond help.


Just accept the fact that you are stuck with all 84 million dollars of that worthless contract
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Just accept the fact that you are stuck with all 84 million dollars of that worthless contract


oh you may be right there,but accept the same with Meier and Palat.but the part that really gets you,is that MARKY TO THE DEVILS MAKES PERFECT SENSE.
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oh you may be right there,but accept the same with Meier and Palat.but the part that really gets you,is that MARKY TO THE DEVILS MAKES PERFECT SENSE.


Not really. Markstrom is 34 he doesn't fit the devils window. He would be the oldest player on the roster other than Brendan Smith.

At 6 mill he would be bad for the devils cap situation going forward as he falls off at age 34-36.

At 3 mill, sure.
at 6 mill, you can keep that contract.
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oh you may be right there,but accept the same with Meier and Palat.but the part that really gets you,is that MARKY TO THE DEVILS MAKES PERFECT SENSE.


I'd pay meier 9 mill x 8 years in UFA: +1.6 mill
I'd pay Palat 4 mill x 4 years in UFA: -8 mill
I'd pay Huberdeau 4 mill x 8 years in UFA: -52 mill
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I'd pay meier 9 mill x 8 years in UFA: +1.6 mill
I'd pay Palat 4 mill x 4 years in UFA: -8 mill
I'd pay Huberdeau 4 mill x 8 years in UFA: -52 mill


well i think all jersey fans would agree that if your paying Meier 9 mil for 8 yrs again,then there very fortunate that your not the gm.
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well i think all jersey fans would agree that if your paying Meier 9 mil for 8 yrs again,then there very fortunate that your not the gm.


No I'd be fine with it Meier has been good when healthy
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Bottom line: Devils have no interest in Huberdeau, Flames have no interest in Palat, and the Devils have no interest in trading Meier.
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Bottom line: Devils have no interest in Huberdeau, Flames have no interest in Palat, and the Devils have no interest in trading Meier.


I dunno about that, a change of scenery could be the best thing for both Huberdeau and Meier. If the Flames decide they want to move Huberdeau and Markstrom it could work.

Cap wise it certainly works for both teams. Of course Huberdeau, Markstrom, Meier and Palat would all have to waive their NMCs for it to happen and it's very unlikely all four agree to waive.
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Bottom line: Devils have no interest in Huberdeau, Flames have no interest in Palat, and the Devils have no interest in trading Meier.


your right on 2 of the 3.are you kidding that the devils wouldnt move Meier.and your not taking into account the only piece with value,the top 10 legit starting goalie,with a very reasonable contract Marky.
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I dunno about that, a change of scenery could be the best thing for both Huberdeau and Meier. If the Flames decide they want to move Huberdeau and Markstrom it could work.

Cap wise it certainly works for both teams. Of course Huberdeau, Markstrom, Meier and Palat would all have to waive their NMCs for it to happen and it's very unlikely all four agree to waive.


Palat gives a 10 team on july 1 and it says Meier doesnt kick in till 24 25 so i guess were at jan.but getting Huberdeau and Marky to move wont be hard.
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I dunno about that, a change of scenery could be the best thing for both Huberdeau and Meier. If the Flames decide they want to move Huberdeau and Markstrom it could work.

Cap wise it certainly works for both teams. Of course Huberdeau, Markstrom, Meier and Palat would all have to waive their NMCs for it to happen and it's very unlikely all four agree to waive.


Huberdeau is by far the worst contract here.

Meier is a significantly better player, and makes 1.7 mill less while being much younger. Even if you conservatively estimate a 3 mill AAV gap in value over the 8 years, that+the 1.7 mill difference in contract = 38 million dollars in surplus value NJD is giving up in the swap.

Let's conservatively assume Palat is a 3 million dollar AAV player over the next 4 years. Thats -12 mill in surplus value.


In order to make up that difference Markstrom would have to play at a 15 million dollar AAV level. So basically he'd have to win the vezina unanimously every year to even come close to that
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the devils are serious about Marky.but nobody wants Timo Meier exept dgibb10,and nobody wants Palat at that salary.and of course moving Huberdeau takes a lot,but taking a couple of real bad contracts back,is the only way.
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the devils are serious about Marky.but nobody wants Timo Meier exept dgibb10,and nobody wants Palat at that salary.and of course moving Huberdeau takes a lot,but taking a couple of real bad contracts back,is the only way.


Simple as this.

You keep Huberdeau and his godawful contract that takes him until he's 38 years old and already overpays him by 6+ mill at 31.

We'll keep Palat and Meier.

If you want meaningful assets for Markstrom, retain. If you don't want to retain, that's okay, but don't expect a massive return
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Simple as this.

You keep Huberdeau and his godawful contract that takes him until he's 38 years old and already overpays him by 6+ mill at 31.

We'll keep Palat and Meier.

If you want meaningful assets for Markstrom, retain. If you don't want to retain, that's okay, but don't expect a massive return


Simple the flames wont be retaining on Marky,because he has earned every penny,and the devils know it.its a very good reasonable contract for a top 10 starting goalie.as for the other 3 nobody wants any of them.im guessing your a young person because you think life ends at 30.joe pavelski has proven for about a decade that isnt necessarily true.
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Simple the flames wont be retaining on Marky,because he has earned every penny,and the devils know it.its a very good reasonable contract for a top 10 starting goalie.as for the other 3 nobody wants any of them.im guessing your a young person because you think life ends at 30.joe pavelski has proven for about a decade that isnt necessarily true.


Joe Pavelski isn’t a goalie.

Not a single goalie in the last 15 years has played at a top 10 level from ages 34-36.

Hes earned his contract. He hasn’t earned a 1st on top of his contract for his age 34-36 seasons
 
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