Gonna cost us more than that. Also we should probably flip Kuzy for futures and use those in a deal for a scorer.

What futures are you getting for Kuzmenko right now?
a 3rd round pick? Cuz that's about all you'll get for him on the open market, no retention and no money coming back. He's no where near the value Canucks fans are putting on him right now...

NHL GM's are not blinded by homer glasses. They don't look at see the 39 goal scorer making less than a milly last year, who looked like a legit top 6 winger. They see the guy that doesn't forecheck, has been benched during games, has been scratched 5 times. They are looking at the guy that lost his place in the lineup to Lafferty.

Vancouver's best options on Kuzmenko, if they opt to move him for a change of scenes, is taking back a 5~m contract on nearly the same term and similar in position forward. Look at a Mantha from the Caps, Pageau from the Isles, Olofsson from Buffalo, Eberle/Wennberg/Tanev from Seattle. Of course all of those warrant picks returning to us or pick swaps so we move up a round or 2.

But do not be surprised if for example its
Kuzmenko + 2024 6th(SJS) -> Mantha + 2024 4th
Or something extremely lackluster of initial thought like that.

That's a pretty sound assessment. Just not sure you're getting two rounds

Maybe 7-5

Kuzmenko - Gets scratched

A dozen or so NHL GM's - Call Patrick immediately (Per Elliotte Friedman)

This guy - No one is interested

If you think no one is interested in a guy on discount coming off 39 goals you're delusional and if you think discount means free, you're still delusional.

There will be many teams thinking Tocchet's style of coaching and his requirements are hurting Kuzy. (not saying I agree or don't)

Those teams would love to pick up a weapon on the discount.

Especially Washington.

Again GM's do not care what he did last year under a different system for most of them, they care about the guy who ONLY plays well against the bad teams/on home ice. Because he can't be trusted on the road against good teams, he doesn't fore check hard. He doesn't play defensively sound like Tocc wants for his system. He got BENCHED against Chicago... He got scratched against Calgary.

I'm not saying he's "Free" I am saying he's not worth largely positive assets. Again from Washington, likely the return is Mantha + late. Or we swap picks to gain a round.

There is ZERO chance any GM "buys" him for the make believe value Canucks fans are still giving him right now

Value at all time low

"He doesn't have the make believe value Canuck fans give him. He has the make believe value I give him.'

- Canuck fan

On what planet is my value make believe?
It's realistic... If there were teams offering the bullsh1t value you, and MANY other Canucks fans have put on Kuzy, he'd have been traded weeks ago.
Face reality, a large reason he hasn't moved yet, is the return that likely is on the table is very lackluster.

Easy to understand, money in money out, with maybe some pick swaps.

His numbers and effort against "top teams" haven't been to the level that warrants him getting say a B+ level prospect, 2nd round pick and middle 6 winger.
Or top 4 RHD.

He's so upset because he's convinced his made up value makes more sense than others with no proof or comparables.

It does not have to be a money in/out deal either if you move him to someone who can retain and flip him because they have space and want assets.

We can also just wait and see, if you can handle that.

It's hilarious how you're just turning aggressive and constantly back flipping the same comment over and over. Almost every media reporting on Kuzy has given roughly the same valuation. Money in Money out is the biggest flag that has been stated with Kuzy. There is no comparable moves to a Kuzmenko deal because he's got 1 year sample size.

No team that has the cap space to acquire him outright, will pay futures to get a player that is 27. Rebuilding teams and retooling teams don't do that. So that is about a 3rd of the league.
A vast majority of the contending teams don't have the cap space, and for arguments sake, wont pay a team to retain as he's not expiring. Asking a team to retain money for a full season beyond this one, will make the price tag for acquiring Kuzmenko far too outrageous to justify for a top 6 winger, who really "only does one thing".

The only logical thing is a money in money out move, with potential of picks moving with each player.

It's becoming mind numbing having to read your crap over and over. You haven't given any proof yourself as to why you think Kuzmenko should retain your "flip Kuzy for futures and use those in a deal for a scorer." Cuz remember other teams scorers wont be cheap...

Name what you figure your futures you'd be able to get for Kuzmenko from Washington?

Maybe Rick tocchet coaching style could potentially hurt kuzmenko stats but it's helping all the team to perform better. Vancouver have made a really great turn over from last season and have even being considered as favorite for an long playoff run.

I don't think the problem come from the coach but more from the player. Yes team would want a good weapon when on discount but they won't go in mass when the say weapon have ethic or work attitude problem. The problem with Kuzmenko is that he have a small sample size data and got right aways an big cash contract and now he's not performing to the value. He's not playing or producing as he should have continued from last season which hurt is trade value. Also he don't seen to work well with the coach and don't do thing to work for it to happen.

The market is not moving alot because team who want additional piece for playoff run are almost all cap full and team who's seller know that and use this weapon (salary) as a big stick to try get more asset from the trade. So could argued that they are glutton but that the game.

Big player who produce once but them sign big money and stop producing have been current money in the league, there a tons of big dude who didn't perform after and it's hurt there value at the end.


I think patience should be use for the moment until deadline. If kuzmenko didn't straight is game from the pit he's is in, trading him would be the best choice in the end. I also think that as money is an issue right now, Vancouver would need to have a: third team party or b: take back an bad contract for one year. Waiting for the deadline also reduced the amount of salary left to pay which bring the guys cheaper.

Nobody disputed the first point.

This second point is also true but you cannot define how much it has hurt his value and neither can I or the other clown.

The third point is exactly why you trade him to a seller for a smaller player you would like (Jokiharju) and let them eat salary to get a bigger return. (three team deal if needed)

The sample your using for one side also can apply to his lack of production this year.

The problem with patience is if Rick sits him 15 games his value dies for sure.

I'm just not gonna read this. You're upset, go talk to leaf fans or something. They seem more your speed.

So your response to telling me to provide information and comparisons, and me asking you to do the same, is this.
When you lose you lose, I get it. At least gracefully accept it.

"It's becoming mind numbing having to read your crap over and over. You haven't given any proof yourself as to why you think Kuzmenko should retain your "flip Kuzy for futures and use those in a deal for a scorer." Cuz remember other teams scorers wont be cheap..."

What scorer are we chasing? We lead the league in goals. We don't need one.

Also this crybaby **** is boring. We want one more solid bottom 4 defensemen and if a selling team can ask around about what they can get for Kuzmenko if they retain I believe it will be worth more than what their D will be worth. So they can gain by retaining and we get our D.

Then we can play Suter on the top wing if we want it really doesn't matter. This 3rd line with Bluger is making Suter kinda homeless since he's better than a 4c.

Just because you try to get the last word doesn't mean you're making any sense. And no I didn't read the rest of your ****, you don't make valid points on the rest of your comments why would I expect different now.

Is there some learning disability on here that makes people think contenders have to trade with other contenders only so cap space is always a problem?

Trade deadline can be a third party system. Ask the sharks when they flipped Hoffman.

You literally mentioned flipped Kuzy for a scorer in your first post...
You aren't even being consistent with your own sht anymore.
Holy crap you are too dumb to even bother with anymore. welcome to the block list.

who asked?

holy **** look at you 2 going at it. crazy I broke out a fight in may proposal

your under on Kuzmenkos value.sounds just like last yr when every one was slagging on Boeser.goal scorers are always at a premium.

hahahaha bringing fans together

They have a premium when they are producing.. Boeser is producing more this year, now the trade talks disappear. Kuzy is not producing so thus the trade talk is there.

Don’t be surprised those 2 start arguments on every trade that gets posted