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- I think the worst part about Lindy Ruff as HC is the constant changing of lines. Stop splitting up Hughes and Bratt; together they are probably the best skating duo in the entire NHL. He is reluctant to move Toffoli off the top line though despite going pointless in 7 of his last 10 games. I think Holtz has played consistently well and deserves a shot in the top 6.

- In terms of the 2nd line, I think Palat and Hischier have been good together this year. I think Meier has played his best next to Nico despite not showing up on the scoresheet yet. Ruff cannot keep putting Meier on the 3rd line; it seems as though Lindy is clueless in how or where to play him. Ruff has to allow Meier to play his game and stop holding him back for the sake of Lindy's system. Ruff has shown time and time again that when teams lock down the neutral zone, he makes no effort to adjust his teams style of play.

- For some reason, Ruff has had Mercer at center and Haula at LW the last few games. Haula always plays better down the middle and has always been very good in the faceoff circle. Mercer stinks in the faceoff circle and always elevates his play on the wing. I like how Toffoli and Mercer complement each other so I'd reunite them on the 3rd line.

- For the fourth line, I think you can make the argument that the Devils have two of the better fourth liners in the league with McLeod and Lazar. Both guys have had great years and have given us some depth scoring while providing a solid defensive game

- The main thing to take away is that Hughes-Bratt and Hischier-Meier are duos that shouldn't ever be split
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18 déc. 2023 à 15 h 21
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Meier needs to be back on PP1 too.
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Meier needs to be back on PP1 too.


I agree. I’d change a few things on the PP units. I kinda like Holtz on PP1 also
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Changing the lines around doesn’t bother me. We don’t want to be too predictable. I agree with Bratt with Hughes for need-a-goal situations. I would not be putting Holtz on a transition line until he cuts down the neutral zone turnovers….I’d rather he learn to protect puck on 4th line and work his way back. I actually like Meier on a line with McLeod….I know McLeod line will often start in d-zone, so chances will be limited, but maybe Lazar can take a few of those assignments. McLeod sets the right tone for how I’d want Meier to play (through, not around)

So if I am setting up line up, it may look like this:

Palat - Hischier - Bratt
Haula - Hughes - Toffoli
Meier - McLeod - Mercer
Holtz - Lazar - Bastian

(PP: pt, bd, L, R, net)
PP1: Hughes, Hughes, Toffoli, Bratt, Palat
PP2: Nemec, Hischier, Holtz, Meier, Mercer

Unless we can find a way to put Meier in front of the net, I don’t think he gets PP1 time (he is not supplanting Bratt on right dot anytime soon). We have been using Hischier in front of net at times and I think it’s a waste. I think him playing 45 seconds along boards on PP2 will yield more than him playing 75 seconds in net-front on PP1.

And where is Nolan Foote?
18 déc. 2023 à 16 h 12
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Changing the lines around doesn’t bother me. We don’t want to be too predictable. I agree with Bratt with Hughes for need-a-goal situations. I would not be putting Holtz on a transition line until he cuts down the neutral zone turnovers….I’d rather he learn to protect puck on 4th line and work his way back. I actually like Meier on a line with McLeod….I know McLeod line will often start in d-zone, so chances will be limited, but maybe Lazar can take a few of those assignments. McLeod sets the right tone for how I’d want Meier to play (through, not around)

So if I am setting up line up, it may look like this:

Palat - Hischier - Bratt
Haula - Hughes - Toffoli
Meier - McLeod - Mercer
Holtz - Lazar - Bastian

(PP: pt, bd, L, R, net)
PP1: Hughes, Hughes, Toffoli, Bratt, Palat
PP2: Nemec, Hischier, Holtz, Meier, Mercer

Unless we can find a way to put Meier in front of the net, I don’t think he gets PP1 time (he is not supplanting Bratt on right dot anytime soon). We have been using Hischier in front of net at times and I think it’s a waste. I think him playing 45 seconds along boards on PP2 will yield more than him playing 75 seconds in net-front on PP1.

And where is Nolan Foote?


Ik you like Haula next to Hughes, but I am probably the biggest opponent of that idea. Haula is a 3C; when he’s on the 3rd line, our team is much deeper. I’m not opposed to McLeod next to Meier stylistically, but Meier needs to be on the right side and in the top 6. We’re also not paying Timo 8.8m to play on the 3rd line. 8.8m is a first line winger salary. Once again, we also have to stop splitting up Hughes and Bratt. The lines to start yesterday’s game were completely fine. We played a great first period and then after 10 minutes of poor play, Lindy throws the lines in a blender. Just terrible
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I agree. I’d change a few things on the PP units. I kinda like Holtz on PP1 also


One of Holtz or Meier needs to come in for Toffoli. Toffoli has been not great lately.

So many PP turnovers. At least once a powerplay toffoli gives up the puck for a free clear.

He's also not been great lately overall. Wasting a bunch of golden chances from Jack, not driving play, not great defensively. Stick him down to line 3.
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Changing the lines around doesn’t bother me. We don’t want to be too predictable. I agree with Bratt with Hughes for need-a-goal situations. I would not be putting Holtz on a transition line until he cuts down the neutral zone turnovers….I’d rather he learn to protect puck on 4th line and work his way back. I actually like Meier on a line with McLeod….I know McLeod line will often start in d-zone, so chances will be limited, but maybe Lazar can take a few of those assignments. McLeod sets the right tone for how I’d want Meier to play (through, not around)

So if I am setting up line up, it may look like this:

Palat - Hischier - Bratt
Haula - Hughes - Toffoli
Meier - McLeod - Mercer
Holtz - Lazar - Bastian

(PP: pt, bd, L, R, net)
PP1: Hughes, Hughes, Toffoli, Bratt, Palat
PP2: Nemec, Hischier, Holtz, Meier, Mercer

Unless we can find a way to put Meier in front of the net, I don’t think he gets PP1 time (he is not supplanting Bratt on right dot anytime soon). We have been using Hischier in front of net at times and I think it’s a waste. I think him playing 45 seconds along boards on PP2 will yield more than him playing 75 seconds in net-front on PP1.

And where is Nolan Foote?


Palat-Nico-Mercer
Haula-Hughes-Bratt
Toffoli-Mcleod-Meier
Holtz-Lazar-Bastian

I'd be open to switching Toffoli and Holtz

Those top 2 lines have a track record of working.

3rd line should be deadly
18 déc. 2023 à 16 h 19
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Ik you like Haula next to Hughes, but I am probably the biggest opponent of that idea. Haula is a 3C; when he’s on the 3rd line, our team is much deeper. I’m not opposed to McLeod next to Meier stylistically, but Meier needs to be on the right side and in the top 6. We’re also not paying Timo 8.8m to play on the 3rd line. 8.8m is a first line winger salary. Once again, we also have to stop splitting up Hughes and Bratt. The lines to start yesterday’s game were completely fine. We played a great first period and then after 10 minutes of poor play, Lindy throws the lines in a blender. Just terrible


I don’t look at it like, “this guy makes X, so he has to be in this role”. (Bobby Holik got paid handsomely to be 4C). Meier is in a slump…he has always been hot/cold. Hopefully he heats up soon.

Haula next to Jack is Jacks preference….I am fine with either. Like I said, the changing of lines doesn’t bother me much.
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Palat-Nico-Mercer
Haula-Hughes-Bratt
Toffoli-Mcleod-Meier
Holtz-Lazar-Bastian

I'd be open to switching Toffoli and Holtz


Am good with that.

(If putting Toffoli on 4th line…might as well trade him…especially if Foote and Nosek are returning…I don’t think he would be effective in the cycle).
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One of Holtz or Meier needs to come in for Toffoli. Toffoli has been not great lately.

So many PP turnovers. At least once a powerplay toffoli gives up the puck for a free clear.

He's also not been great lately overall. Wasting a bunch of golden chances from Jack, not driving play, not great defensively. Stick him down to line 3.


Yeah Toffoli on line 3 is what I have here. I think Toffoli, Haula, and Mercer complement each other well
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Palat-Nico-Mercer
Haula-Hughes-Bratt
Toffoli-Mcleod-Meier
Holtz-Lazar-Bastian

I'd be open to switching Toffoli and Holtz

Those top 2 lines have a track record of working.

3rd line should be deadly


Idk if I love Palat- Hischier- Mercer as a line. I think you’d end up losing too much offense in the top 6 with that line and I’ve never liked Haula in the top 6 especially when we’re fully healthy up front. McLeod and Meier I like together, but I don’t know about Toffoli with them. That also buries Holtz which we can’t do. If anything, I’m elevating Holtz in the lineup; he at least shows up every night to play
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Palat-Nico-Mercer
Haula-Hughes-Bratt
Toffoli-Mcleod-Meier
Holtz-Lazar-Bastian

I'd be open to switching Toffoli and Holtz

Those top 2 lines have a track record of working.

3rd line should be deadly


I’d do this though

Holtz- Hughes- Bratt
Palat- Hischier- Toffoli
Meier- McLeod- Mercer
Lazar- Haula- Bastian
18 déc. 2023 à 16 h 37
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Am good with that.

(If putting Toffoli on 4th line…might as well trade him…especially if Foote and Nosek are returning…I don’t think he would be effective in the cycle).


I’d trade Toffoli for assets to get us either a legit G or a legit 2LD

I’d swap Toff out for Marcus Pettersson/Hanafin, or a Gustafsson, Gibson with enough retention, or a Logan Thompson

If we could get a 1st+ for Toff I’d send him off. Send him to Pitt for Pettersson in a hockey trade maybe they think he’ll help their power play.

Then I’d be going heavy after Gustafsson if he’s available at all+Duhaime

Hughes-Haula-Bratt
Nico-Palat-Mercer
McLeod-Meier-Holtz
Lazar-Duhaime-Bastian
Siegs-Dougie
Pettersson-Marino
Luke-Nemec
Gus
Schmid

Foote
Miller
Bahl
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I’d trade Toffoli for assets to get us either a legit G or a legit 2LD

I’d swap Toff out for Marcus Pettersson/Hanafin, or a Gustafsson, Gibson with enough retention, or a Logan Thompson

If we could get a 1st+ for Toff I’d send him off. Send him to Pitt for Pettersson in a hockey trade maybe they think he’ll help their power play.

Then I’d be going heavy after Gustafsson if he’s available at all+Duhaime

Hughes-Haula-Bratt
Nico-Palat-Mercer
McLeod-Meier-Holtz
Lazar-Duhaime-Bastian
Siegs-Dougie
Pettersson-Marino
Luke-Nemec
Gus
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Foote
Miller
Bahl


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Am good with that.

(If putting Toffoli on 4th line…might as well trade him…especially if Foote and Nosek are returning…I don’t think he would be effective in the cycle).


What do you guys think about this? Just realized we haven’t given this a shot yet this year

Meier- Hughes/Hischier- Bratt
Toffoli- Hughes/Hischier- Mercer
Palat- Haula- Holtz
Lazar- McLeod- Bastian
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What do you guys think about this? Just realized we haven’t given this a shot yet this year

Meier- Hughes/Hischier- Bratt
Toffoli- Hughes/Hischier- Mercer
Palat- Haula- Holtz
Lazar- McLeod- Bastian


Interesting
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What do you guys think about this? Just realized we haven’t given this a shot yet this year

Meier- Hughes/Hischier- Bratt
Toffoli- Hughes/Hischier- Mercer
Palat- Haula- Holtz
Lazar- McLeod- Bastian


Im down for it.
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Interesting


Quoting: NHLfan10506
Im down for it.


This would probably be the only condition where I don’t put Hughes and Bratt together. Toffoli and Mercer were solid next to Jack for a few games before Toffoli went cold, but I’m willing to give it another shot. And I think it’d be a good idea to give Timo a shot next to Nico and Bratt and see if that clicks
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Im down for it.


Quoting: dgibb10
Interesting


You guys just see the lines? I don’t even know what to say at this point. Hughes with Haula and Toffoli; absolutely hate that line because Haula and Toffoli are slow. Palat-Hischier-Bratt has been good, but Bratt belongs with Hughes. Timo with Mercer and Holtz even though Mercer stinks at center and that line has shown to be ATROCIOUS in the defensive zone. Oh and Brendan Smith is back in for Colin Miller so that’s fun
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You guys just see the lines? I don’t even know what to say at this point. Hughes with Haula and Toffoli; absolutely hate that line because Haula and Toffoli are slow. Palat-Hischier-Bratt has been good, but Bratt belongs with Hughes. Timo with Mercer and Holtz even though Mercer stinks at center and that line has shown to be ATROCIOUS in the defensive zone. Oh and Brendan Smith is back in for Colin Miller so that’s fun


Meanwhile Andrew Brunette has the horrific roster in Nashville doing quite well, even despite Saros not even playing well this year. Cant believe we let him go for Lindy
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