If Barabanov has another productive season (10-12 goals 25-35 assists by TDL) I think 50% retained would require a 1st. This would be fair without retention.

much rather have duclair

A worse and oft injured player at a higher cap hit, no thanks. Barabanov can create more offense and him with either Stamkos or on the top line would be good. Until Duclair shows he's back to some form resembling 2 years ago, no thanks(and if he is playing lights out before the tdl, Tampa shouldn't be interested in the overpay S.J. will probabalh want).

Doubtful Barabanov is getting a 1st unless there's something else coming back, as he likely won't be in the top tier of rentals available and not that many 1sts usually get moved. Maybe he does though, but it won't be from Tampa, as they very rarely move 1sts(in any year) for ufa rentals that they likely won't be able to re-sign(Savard being the one exception of course).

Barabanov will be the Ideal rental at the TDL as a guy who puts up .75 PPG at what would amount to about 1 mil in pro rated cap come TDL. With everyone almost maxed out the options for upgrade on a tiny budget will be slim. Supply and demand will push his value up, same with Duclair if he rebounds.

barabonov on the top line lmao

If he's in the .7 ppg area again this season, there's a chance he could get a 1st, depending on who else is available at the tdl. Tampa won't likely be paying that price though, as they usually don't pay 1sts for ufa's and, they don't have a 1st anyway until '26.

Wouldn't expect anything less given your posts lulz. Barabanov could very easily fit with Point-Kuch, and while Hagel likely sticks there, Cooper has had no issue with trying different combos.

Yea that factor does devalue that first a scotch. Which
Makes it that much more reasonable IMO, but giving the sharks 2 of your firsts in 6 years time is a tad extreme especially when you factor in neither player traded will play for TBL when the sharks pick that selection in 26.

Barabanov is a very good supporting cast kind of guy, above average passer good along the boards etc, so I would pair him with snipers/ scorers.

hey dont be mad at me that you want an underwhelming forward on the first line

Tampa could, in theory, re-sign Barabanov long term, but that likely means giving up on extending Stamkos one last time. Tampa would then have enough room for Barabanov and one additional F. I believe they will extend Stamkos in the 7-7.5 aav range for 3-4 years, so a player like Barabanov would be a straight rental. I suppose.if Brisebois and the team believes he is the piece that gives them the best chance to.win the Cup thks year, they might consider moving the '26 1st for a specific ufa, but it hasn't really been thelr usual strategy.

Underwhelming, lol too funny. Duclair is.nothing special and again, someone who's already torn an Achilles once(as well as had several other less.crippling injuries that have still cost him more than a few games). In the end, Tampa is more than fine with Sheary and Jeannot(or a Syracuse promotion). Duclair adds little to what they already have if he's struggling, and won't be worth the price if he's found his top level again. Barabankv is also the better long-term option if Tampa chooses to go that route, with 2 seasons of improved play, less injuries, and not as hit or.miss as Duclair has been. They likely get neither, as they won't overpay for a ufa they can't keep, and unless they are planning to.let Stamkos walk(they won't as he'll re-sign for around 7-7.5 for 3-4 years, and yes, he's easily worth that) than they won't likely give up a 1st for any ufa.

stamkos is nowhere near worth that but I won't be surprised if they overpay by a few mil to bring him back, after all just take a look at who the gm is, bolts won't be winning anytime soon

Bolts have a closing window on their cup chances at this point, giving up to many picks and having zero cap they seem to get slightly worse both prospect wise and NHL wise each year. Smart money would be to let stamkos go, retain all picks and prospects and do an on the fly re-tool while starting to plan for the future… but no GM wants to think past 2 years from now unless they are in full rebuild mode these days.

letting stamkos walk is definitely the right move

This is such a weird idea. I'm not completely sold on Barabanov being worth a first, but looking at the point totals from last season (and assuming we have roughly the same teams as sellers), the only available rentals with higher point totals would be Scheifele, Perron, Zucker, and Tarasenko. And all of them come at 2 or 3 times the cap hit of Barabanov. So he will definitely be one of the top rentals

Yea! 50 point guys have gotten 2nd plus in past seasons and with the dead cap and a weaker draft this year I wouldn’t be shocked to see a team that’s close to give up a late 1st for him with his cheap cap hit.

Lol, yes, that terrible GM that's won 2 Cups and went to 3 straight SCF. It's also hilarious that you think ~7 million is an overpay for Stamkos, given his production the last fee years. He could easily get 8+ in ufa, so if he does the team another favor and takes a 7x3 or 7x4 type deal, all the better. Tampa has one more year of a tighter cap situation(but still easily managed), then things get considerably better with the rising cap. They have several years of good contention left with this core.

let stamkos walk if they know what's best for them and the gm that won those two cups name is yzerman

Tampa still has most of their current and future core locked up. The oldest key player is 33, and most ate still in their 20's or just turned 30. With the cap also increasing soon, they will have.more flexibility to make moves and signings. They've given up some picks and prospects who wouldn't have helped them.in thelr window, and mostly allowed older ufas that aren't seen as core guys to walk or be traded rather than cripple their cap situation further. They have lost a little depth in the supporting cast perhaps, but they have identified and retained a.very strong core while still having solid supporting pieces that they could fit with the current cap situation. A re-tool is still several years out at minimum, and letting Stamkos walk is only a good idea if he's demanding 8 or 9+, and the team already has a 7 million ufa ready to sign, or 2 ~4 million types.

Last I checked he didn't make the trades for Coleman or Goodrow, which were as instrumental as any in finishing the team for those Cups. Yzerman gets plenty of credit for building the team up, but Brisebois is the GM that completed the.job and gets the name on there.

I can see your point and I see the talent on your roster, but as an outsider I also see your peak players are getting older, your prospect depth is weak and you guys don’t have a full draft worth of picks or a 1st until 26 meaning rebuilding your prospect pool is at min 2-3 years away or more if you guys continue to trade those picks away. And while your top end is still very good, they are getting older and your supporting cast is getting weaker with the lack of cap space, and yes the cap increase helps but with cap increase comes rising salaries for players as well!

To me the smart move would be try and resign Stamkos at a reasonable contract both in terms of years and cap hit, but be prepared to let him walk, and hold onto those picks and start planing for 4-5 years from now when your core will be aging out!

yea anyone can give out a million first round picks that were set up by yzerman, all jbb has done is destroy this team and its future

Lol, keep smoking whatever you're on. In reality, JBB has won 2 Cups, navigated a tight rope cap situation very successfully, and has been willing to move picks and prospects when needed to add key pieces to the team. Notba single one of those picks or prospects would have provided a single game of help to the team during the window, and JBB has also laid the ground work for the future by locking down several young core players. He's done a great job managing for both the now and the future, and there are ways to do that aside from hoping mid to late 1st round picks pan out all the time. Furthermore, while Tampa may not have a large amount of perceived blue chip prospects, they have plenty of talented prospects that could be productive middle and bottom 6 NHL contributors. The future is far from bleak, but as you do in every Tampa agm that doesn't think uour ideas ate the the only solution, keep spouting the doom.and gloom.