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Créé par: Kyle_Okposo_Lover
Équipe: 2023-24 Islanders de New York
Date de création initiale: 19 juill. 2023
Publié: 19 juill. 2023
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
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RFAANSCAP HIT
2905 000 $
UFAANSCAP HIT
12 000 000 $
2950 000 $
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    waivers/trade idc
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    NYI
    1. Veleno, Joseph [Droits de RFA]
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    Not sure his price but I cant imagine its very high
    DET
    1. Choix de 4e ronde en 2025 (NYI)
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    TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
    2383 500 000 $82 216 625 $0 $0 $1 283 375 $
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    4 000 000 $4 000 000 $
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    UFA - 1
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    UFA - 8
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    874 125 $874 125 $
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    UFA - 3
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    6 000 000 $6 000 000 $
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    3 000 000 $3 000 000 $
    AD, AG
    M-NTC
    UFA - 7
    2 000 000 $2 000 000 $
    AG, AD
    UFA - 1
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    8 500 000 $8 500 000 $
    C
    NTC
    UFA - 8
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    5 000 000 $5 000 000 $
    AD, AG
    M-NTC
    UFA - 2
    905 000 $905 000 $
    C
    RFA - 1
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    2 500 000 $2 500 000 $
    C
    UFA - 4
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    775 000 $775 000 $
    AD
    UFA - 2
    Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
    Logo de Islanders de New York
    5 750 000 $5 750 000 $
    DG
    NTC
    UFA - 6
    Logo de Islanders de New York
    6 150 000 $6 150 000 $
    DD
    NTC
    UFA - 7
    Logo de Islanders de New York
    4 000 000 $4 000 000 $
    G
    UFA - 1
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    825 000 $825 000 $
    DG
    UFA - 1
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    4 000 000 $4 000 000 $
    DD
    RFA - 2
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    2 750 000 $2 750 000 $
    G
    NTC
    UFA - 4
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    2 500 000 $2 500 000 $
    DG
    RFA - 2
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    3 500 000 $3 500 000 $
    DD
    NTC
    UFA - 7
    Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
    Logo de Islanders de New York
    800 000 $800 000 $
    DG
    RFA - 2
    Logo de Islanders de New York
    787 500 $787 500 $
    AD
    UFA - 2
    950 000 $950 000 $
    C, AG
    UFA - 2

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    20 juill. 2023 à 8 h 16
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    Modifié 20 juill. 2023 à 8 h 25
    Quoting: Bruins1054_gmb
    Give me a projected forward group for the Bruins if they make that trade. Do you see any flaw with your logic yet? You're not playing 4D chess here against the rest of us. One of your comments claimed JGP=2nd, waiver wire bait Salo=4th/5th and DeBrusk isn't worth more than that. Even if DeBrusk=2nd+4th/5th, your value for the proposed players is incredibly wrong. Isles wouldn't get a 2nd for Pageau from anyone. Taylor Hall only netted two fringe d-men prospects. Do better.


    Taylor Hall got that cuz Boston has ZERO leverage lil bro tears of joy

    Go out and rank every center in the NHL right now and youll see hes in that range too

    PLUS Pageau has much better analytics over the past 3 years in the two stats he used, plus has produced more on less time. IDK how this is even a debate.

    Pageau is getting paid market value and there are very few centers available. Im not saying he gets a 1st+++, just a 20-25 goal scorer lol.

    Duclair got what? A 5th? Hes a similar player on a better deal and got THAT.
    20 juill. 2023 à 8 h 17
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    Modifié 20 juill. 2023 à 8 h 24
    Quoting: Db1899
    You just cherry picked expected goals lol


    Bro used WAR, GAR, SPAR, Xwar, xgar, xspar, which is just two stats... he didnt make a point lmao he used two stats. WAR and GAR are the same assessment tears of joy

    Pageau is closer to 56 on my list

    Hes in the Paul/Domi/Trochek/Johannsen range. Ahead of them and behind Stephenson, Bennett, Backstrom

    Go out and rank every center in the NHL right now and youll see hes in that range too

    PLUS Pageau has much better analytics over the past 3 years in the two stats he used, plus has produced more on less time. IDK how this is even a debate.

    I get your personality is being the over critical islanders fan and while I agree the team is incredibly mid, we still have players with solid value. Pageau is getting paid market value and there are very few centers available. Im not saying he gets a 1st+++, just a 20-25 goal scorer lol.

    Duclair got what? A 5th? Hes a similar player on a better deal and got THAT.
    20 juill. 2023 à 8 h 39
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    You should change your name to Jean_Gabriel_Pageau_Lover🖤💛.
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    20 juill. 2023 à 12 h 5
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    Quoting: Kyle_Okposo_Lover
    Taylor Hall got that cuz Boston has ZERO leverage lil bro tears of joy

    Go out and rank every center in the NHL right now and youll see hes in that range too

    PLUS Pageau has much better analytics over the past 3 years in the two stats he used, plus has produced more on less time. IDK how this is even a debate.

    Pageau is getting paid market value and there are very few centers available. Im not saying he gets a 1st+++, just a 20-25 goal scorer lol.

    Duclair got what? A 5th? Hes a similar player on a better deal and got THAT.


    You're too far gone. If you really think JGP is that good of a player idk how to help you. He had 3 5-on-5 goals last year... You didn't build a forward group for the Bruins with this trade in place. It makes no sense for them.
    20 juill. 2023 à 20 h 0
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    Quoting: Bruins1054_gmb
    You're too far gone. If you really think JGP is that good of a player idk how to help you. He had 3 5-on-5 goals last year... You didn't build a forward group for the Bruins with this trade in place. It makes no sense for them.


    He was given minimal opportunity

    And this isnt an argument saying he is a god, hes a low 2C or high end 3C, getting traded for a 20-25 goal scorer in Debrusk. Duclair got a 5th and 13F, they produced in a similar clip. Now, Debrusk is better, but why is he worth way more than this lol? Maybe he could get a 2nd. You really wanna package him and a 1st or Lysell for Schiefele? Or Debrusk and a 2nd for Backlund? I mean come on
    20 juill. 2023 à 20 h 0
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    Quoting: Bruinadian67
    You should change your name to Jean_Gabriel_Pageau_Lover🖤💛.


    same thing I just told this other guy:

    This isnt an argument saying he is a god, hes a low 2C or high end 3C, getting traded for a 20-25 goal scorer in Debrusk. Duclair got a 5th and 13F, they produced in a similar clip. Now, Debrusk is better, but why is he worth way more than this lol? Maybe he could get a 2nd. You really wanna package him and a 1st or Lysell for Schiefele? Or Debrusk and a 2nd for Backlund? I mean come on
    20 juill. 2023 à 23 h 16
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    Quoting: Kyle_Okposo_Lover
    Their reasoning was he was the islanders 3C. Hes 56 on my list actually, a low end 2c. I just put 60-70 off the top of my head.

    Hes in the Paul/Domi/Trochek/Johannsen range.

    Go out and rank every center in the NHL right now and youll see hes in that range too

    PLUS Pageau has much better analytics over the past 3 years in the two stats he used, plus has produced more on less time. IDK how this is even a debate.

    Pageau is getting paid market value and there are very few centers available. Im not saying he gets a 1st+++, just a 20-25 goal scorer lol.

    Duclair got what? A 5th? Hes a similar player on a better deal and got THAT.


    A low end 2C is a 3C on a playoff team.

    Pageau’s analytics vary year to year - he’s pretty inconsistent with everything besides faceoffs. If you combine analytics and rate numbers in terms of production, he’s a slightly above average 3C. He produces closer to a 4th liner than a top 6er at 5v5. Good player, someone I’d like to have on my team for 2-5-3 mill per, but he’s not someone you want to have in your top 6 unless you’re tanking
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    21 juill. 2023 à 2 h 31
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    Quoting: Kyle_Okposo_Lover
    He was given minimal opportunity

    And this isnt an argument saying he is a god, hes a low 2C or high end 3C, getting traded for a 20-25 goal scorer in Debrusk. Duclair got a 5th and 13F, they produced in a similar clip. Now, Debrusk is better, but why is he worth way more than this lol? Maybe he could get a 2nd. You really wanna package him and a 1st or Lysell for Schiefele? Or Debrusk and a 2nd for Backlund? I mean come on


    I don't think they should trade him at all. If they did I'd be more okay with him going for Scheifele because he's a true number 1 center. I wouldn't want Backlund at all because he's a low-end 2C at best. IMO the only way DeBrusk gets traded is if he's packaged for Lindholm, Scheifele, or another center of that caliber.
    21 juill. 2023 à 12 h 57
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    Quoting: Kyle_Okposo_Lover
    same thing I just told this other guy:

    This isnt an argument saying he is a god, hes a low 2C or high end 3C, getting traded for a 20-25 goal scorer in Debrusk. Duclair got a 5th and 13F, they produced in a similar clip. Now, Debrusk is better, but why is he worth way more than this lol? Maybe he could get a 2nd. You really wanna package him and a 1st or Lysell for Schiefele? Or Debrusk and a 2nd for Backlund? I mean come on


    Ok…how about ‘Hockey_argument_Lover’?
    21 juill. 2023 à 15 h 43
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    Quoting: Bruinadian67
    Ok…how about ‘Hockey_argument_Lover’?


    This is a website dedicated to hockey debates and discussions. If you think there’s something wrong with me debating and discussing, then idk what to tell you
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    21 juill. 2023 à 19 h 54
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    Quoting: Kyle_Okposo_Lover
    This is a website dedicated to hockey debates and discussions. If you think there’s something wrong with me debating and discussing, then idk what to tell you


    You are absolutely correct! Unfortunately, every other Bruin fan who posted before me made very many points as to why DeBrusk for Pageau in any form doesn’t work for Boston so I didn’t want to jump on the bandwagon. They also made many points on the similarities with Coyle so again, I wasn’t going to add to that to make you feel you were being ganged up on. And there’s nothing wrong with you debating and discussing but when you get as much resistance as you received from multiple participants from different fan bases, there comes a time to either give up or laugh about it. I was hoping to spur on the latter. I was also wondering if we could get to a fourth page of reply posts.
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