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Spitballing some different deals

Créé par: Tbrew
Équipe: 2023-24 Devils du New Jersey
Date de création initiale: 23 juin 2023
Publié: 23 juin 2023
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
RFAANSCAP HIT
1900 000 $
11 000 000 $
88 300 000 $
UFAANSCAP HIT
32 000 000 $
1900 000 $
Transactions
1.
NYR
  1. Walsh, Reilly [Droits de RFA]
  2. Choix de 2e ronde en 2023 (NJD)
  3. Choix de 5e ronde en 2024 (COL)
2.
NJD
  1. Choix de 2e ronde en 2023 (CGY)
  2. Choix de 2e ronde en 2024 (CGY)
CGY
  1. Bastian, Nathan [Droits de RFA]
  2. Sharangovich, Yegor [Droits de RFA]
  3. Choix de 3e ronde en 2023 (CGY)
Détails additionnels:
Just spitballing something to get CGY young bodies they’re rumored to prefer is trades
3.
NJD
  1. Choix de 3e ronde en 2023 (MTL)
  2. Choix de 4e ronde en 2024 (MTL)
MTL
  1. McLeod, Michael [Droits de RFA]
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2025
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2383 500 000 $75 819 166 $422 500 $5 540 000 $7 680 834 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
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894 167 $894 167 $ (Bonis de performance850 000 $$850K)
AD, AG
RFA - 2
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8 000 000 $8 000 000 $
C
UFA - 7
Logo de Rangers de New York
2 100 000 $2 100 000 $
AD
RFA - 1
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8 300 000 $8 300 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 8
Logo de Devils du New Jersey
7 250 000 $7 250 000 $
C
UFA - 4
Logo de Devils du New Jersey
7 875 000 $7 875 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 8
Logo de Devils du New Jersey
6 000 000 $6 000 000 $
AG, AD
NMC
UFA - 4
Logo de Devils du New Jersey
2 000 000 $2 000 000 $
C, AG
UFA - 3
Logo de Devils du New Jersey
894 167 $894 167 $ (Bonis de performance400 000 $$400K)
AD, C
RFA - 1
Logo de Devils du New Jersey
863 333 $863 333 $
AG
RFA - 1
Logo de Devils du New Jersey
1 000 000 $1 000 000 $
C, AG
RFA - 1
Logo de Devils du New Jersey
850 833 $850 833 $ (Bonis de performance57 500 $$58K)
AD, C
RFA - 1
900 000 $900 000 $
C, AD
UFA - 2
Logo de Devils du New Jersey
1 000 000 $1 000 000 $
AD, C
UFA - 2
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
Logo de Devils du New Jersey
3 400 000 $3 400 000 $
DG
UFA - 5
Logo de Devils du New Jersey
9 000 000 $9 000 000 $
DD
NMC
UFA - 5
Logo de Devils du New Jersey
3 400 000 $3 400 000 $
G
UFA - 2
Logo de Devils du New Jersey
1 100 000 $1 100 000 $
DG/DD, AG
UFA - 1
Logo de Devils du New Jersey
4 400 000 $4 400 000 $
DD
UFA - 4
Logo de Devils du New Jersey
850 833 $850 833 $ (Bonis de performance57 500 $$58K)
G
RFA - 1
Logo de Devils du New Jersey
925 000 $925 000 $ (Bonis de performance925 000 $$925K)
DG/DD
RFA - 2
Logo de Devils du New Jersey
918 333 $918 333 $ (Bonis de performance3 250 000 $$3M)
DD
RFA - 3
Logo de Devils du New Jersey
900 000 $900 000 $
DG
RFA - 2

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23 juin 2023 à 11 h 42
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Quoting: Tbrew
I never thought he was a bust tbf. I’m actually very high on him, and in a vaccum, or just with NY in a slightly better cap situation, I would absolutely give up more. Him and Jack Hughes (ironically) could be a dominant pair on a line.

Just can’t justify it here when those assets are going to be used to get out of the Goodrow contract, and get through this year before the cap increases


A goodrow buy-out doesn’t affect the cap next year and the following year. It hurts 3 years down the road and by then Panarin and Trouba will be near the end of their contracts, on top of the cap suppose to be going up a lot more

Plus I think the rangers would value their only top 6 RW over a lot of other positions on the roster
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23 juin 2023 à 11 h 55
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Quoting: Rags21
A goodrow buy-out doesn’t affect the cap next year and the following year. It hurts 3 years down the road and by then Panarin and Trouba will be near the end of their contracts, on top of the cap suppose to be going up a lot more

Plus I think the rangers would value their only top 6 RW over a lot of other positions on the roster


I meant more of taking the trade angle for Goodrow and pairing him with picks+ or whatever it would take to avoid the buyout route entirely.

The rangers at the very least SHOULD value KK that way. It’s hard to predict a front office that James Dolan is influencing though. Couple years ago when he was focusing more on ruining the Knicks, and I would have a lot more faith in their value assessments lol
23 juin 2023 à 11 h 56
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I meant more of taking the trade angle for Goodrow and pairing him with picks+ or whatever it would take to avoid the buyout route entirely.

The rangers at the very least SHOULD value KK that way. It’s hard to predict a front office that James Dolan is influencing though. Couple years ago when he was focusing more on ruining the Knicks, and I would have a lot more faith in their value assessments lol


I definitely agree. Dolan is probably the main reason why they sped up the rebuild instead of taking the correct course like the devils did
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23 juin 2023 à 12 h 12
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Quoting: Tbrew
Okay? Not really seeing a point being made there other than you don’t like New Jersey lol
Like I said above, I value KK in a vacuum much higher than this


Who cares how you value him to be honest? The trade offer you posted is absurd and really intended to start an argument, so fine, lets have an absurd argument since that is what you are looking for.
23 juin 2023 à 12 h 20
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McLeod is more a waiver claim candidate then a tradeable asset. Especially not a high third round pick. McLeod is not a upgrade over any current players on Habs roster that have to many NHl contract already.


He'd play PK1, better and cheaper than dvorak, and put up a higher 5v5 point rate than kirby dach. Among the 11 habs forwards who had at least 500 minutes 5v5, ONLY Caufield and Suzuki scored more than Mcleods 1.66 P/60
23 juin 2023 à 12 h 22
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Quoting: NHLfan10506
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Among guys with 500 minutes 5v5, only suzuki and caufield put up more 5v5 P/60 than mcleod (1.66). Yes that includes elite josh anderson and elite kirby dach. Mcleod is also way better defensively
23 juin 2023 à 13 h 46
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Quoting: Onlyfairtrades1
Who cares how you value him to be honest? The trade offer you posted is absurd and really intended to start an argument, so fine, lets have an absurd argument since that is what you are looking for.


So you’re angry at the justification?
23 juin 2023 à 16 h 28
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Quoting: Tbrew
So you’re angry at the justification?


Not angry a bit troll, just sinking to your level, which is absurdity.
23 juin 2023 à 16 h 34
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Not angry a bit troll, just sinking to your level, which is absurdity.


You’ve said the word absurd a few times, but so far I’m the only one who has contributed any justification.
23 juin 2023 à 18 h 1
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Quoting: Tbrew
You’ve said the word absurd a few times, but so far I’m the only one who has contributed any justification.


There is no justification for your absurdity, but think what you want.
23 juin 2023 à 18 h 27
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There is no justification for your absurdity, .


Why? And How is it absurdity?
23 juin 2023 à 20 h 5
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Why? And How is it absurdity?


If you need that explained to you, your hockey knowledge is zero. Sorry, can't help you, learn the game first then come back to me.
23 juin 2023 à 21 h 3
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If you need that explained to you, your hockey knowledge is zero. Sorry, can't help you, learn the game first then come back to me.


Is Ad Hominem all you are going to bring to the table? I’m happy to hear actual rebutes to my points on the rangers deal, but it’s just ironic that someone is talking about not having any hockey knowledge, while getting out of hockey talks by deflecting with fallacies
23 juin 2023 à 21 h 7
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It’s just funny how devil fans have been calling Kakko a bust and here we are trading for him

But they’ll be fine and have no trouble re-signing Kakko after next year lol


A player can be a bust, but still have some value. Yes, he is a bust. He has not lived up to 2OA. He is still a respectable player if you ignore his draft pedigree
23 juin 2023 à 21 h 12
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A player can be a bust, but still have some value. Yes, he is a bust. He has not lived up to 2OA. He is still a respectable player if you ignore his draft pedigree


Then I guess Thompson was a bust prior to breaking out? Lol
23 juin 2023 à 21 h 14
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Then I guess Thompson was a bust prior to breaking out? Lol


I mean yeah. Unless Kakko has some spectacularly rare breakout like Thompson, then yes he is a bust. Thompson breakout is an anomaly. Basically a miracle that hardly ever happens. He was also not a 2nd overall either so expectations were lower to begin with.
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23 juin 2023 à 21 h 15
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I mean yeah. Unless Kakko has some spectacularly rare breakout like Thompson, then yes he is a bust. Thompson breakout is an anomaly. Basically a miracle that hardly ever happens. He was also not a 2nd overall either so expectations were lower to begin with.


Some players are known to be late breakouts. The problem is that everyone expects these top 5 picks to come into the league and put up crosby, Mcdavid, matthews numbers lol
23 juin 2023 à 21 h 15
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The ignorance is astounding.

(Habs fans)


I'd happily have him on the Canucks for a 3rd and 4th
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23 juin 2023 à 21 h 17
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Some players are known to be late breakouts. The problem is that everyone expects these top 5 picks to come into the league and put up crosby, Mcdavid, matthews numbers lol


After 4 years, you'd like to see them at least be a top 6 forward. Kakko is still a solid player at this point. Very good 3rd liner.
23 juin 2023 à 21 h 19
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After 4 years, you'd like to see them at least be a top 6 forward. Kakko is still a solid player at this point. Very good 3rd liner.


Kreider Mika Kakko 1st line was among the best in the league lol Gallant was too stubborn to keep them together
23 juin 2023 à 21 h 31
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Is Ad Hominem all you are going to bring to the table? I’m happy to hear actual rebutes to my points on the rangers deal, but it’s just ironic that someone is talking about not having any hockey knowledge, while getting out of hockey talks by deflecting with fallacies


There is no point to discussing your absurd trade offer, so troll elsewhere.
23 juin 2023 à 21 h 47
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Quoting: Onlyfairtrades1
There is no point to discussing your absurd trade offer, so troll elsewhere.


Why am I the troll? What is absurd? Still happy to hear, but I fully expect deflection again
23 juin 2023 à 21 h 54
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Quoting: Rags21
Kreider Mika Kakko 1st line was among the best in the league lol Gallant was too stubborn to keep them together


And thats definitely unfortunate, but it shows Kakko is not a playdriver. He plays well with good linemates, but doesn't generate much for himself
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23 juin 2023 à 21 h 58
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And thats definitely unfortunate, but it shows Kakko is not a playdriver. He plays well with good linemates, but doesn't generate much for himself


Guess we’ll see how he does under an aggressive offense with Laviolette
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23 juin 2023 à 23 h 2
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Why am I the troll? What is absurd? Still happy to hear, but I fully expect deflection again


Nice try troll
 
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