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Worst Contracts in my opinion

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Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
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Used listed primary positions
Minimum 3 years left, 5 mill AAV


Primary Factors: performance, AAV, age, term, NTC

quite a few tough decisions

List of Cs: https://www.capfriendly.com/browse/active/2023/expiry-year/all/center?stats-season=2023&display=expiry-year,aav,length&hide=expiry-status&limits=caphit-5000000-20000000
List of LW: https://www.capfriendly.com/browse/active/2023/expiry-year/all/leftwing?stats-season=2023&display=expiry-year,aav,length&hide=expiry-status&limits=caphit-5000000-20000000
List of RW: https://www.capfriendly.com/browse/active/2023/expiry-year/all/rightwing?stats-season=2023&display=expiry-year,aav,length&hide=expiry-status&limits=caphit-5000000-20000000
List of D: https://www.capfriendly.com/browse/active/2023/expiry-year/all/defense?stats-season=2023&display=expiry-year,aav,length&hide=expiry-status&limits=caphit-5000000-20000000
List of G: https://www.capfriendly.com/browse/active/2023/caphit/all/goalies?stats-season=2023&display=expiry-year,aav,length&hide=expiry-status&limits=caphit-5000000-20000000
TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2082 500 000 $147 760 000 $0 $0 $-65 260 000 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
Logo de Islanders de New York
7 000 000 $7 000 000 $
AG
NTC
UFA - 4
Logo de Stars de Dallas
9 850 000 $9 850 000 $
C, AD
NMC
UFA - 5
Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
6 500 000 $6 500 000 $
AD, AG
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 5
Logo de Stars de Dallas
9 500 000 $9 500 000 $
AG, C
NMC
UFA - 3
Logo de Capitals de Washington
9 200 000 $9 200 000 $
C
NMC
UFA - 3
Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
5 500 000 $5 500 000 $
AD, AG
M-NTC
UFA - 5
Logo de Devils du New Jersey
6 000 000 $6 000 000 $
AG, AD
NMC
UFA - 5
Logo de Capitals de Washington
3 900 000 $3 900 000 $
C
M-NTC
UFA - 3
Logo de Penguins de Pittsburgh
5 125 000 $5 125 000 $
AD, AG
NMC
UFA - 6
Logo de Flames de Calgary
5 900 000 $5 900 000 $
AG, AD
M-NTC
UFA - 1
Logo de Red Wings de Detroit
5 625 000 $5 625 000 $
C, AG, AD
M-NTC
UFA - 5
Logo de Capitals de Washington
5 750 000 $5 750 000 $
AD
M-NTC
UFA - 3
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
Logo de Oilers d'Edmonton
9 250 000 $9 250 000 $
DG
NMC
UFA - 8
Logo de Blackhawks de Chicago
9 500 000 $9 500 000 $
DD
NMC
UFA - 8
Logo de Panthers de la Floride
10 000 000 $10 000 000 $
G
NMC
UFA - 4
Logo de Canucks de Vancouver
7 260 000 $7 260 000 $
DG
NMC
UFA - 5
Logo de Rangers de New York
8 000 000 $8 000 000 $
DD
NMC
UFA - 4
Logo de Kraken de Seattle
5 900 000 $5 900 000 $
G
NTC
UFA - 5
Logo de Sharks de San Jose
7 000 000 $7 000 000 $
DG/DD
NMC
UFA - 4
Logo de Kings de Los Angeles
11 000 000 $11 000 000 $
DD
NMC
UFA - 5

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18 mars 2023 à 11 h 25
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Quoting: dgibb10
Bc he's an aging player with the third highest contract of all LWs.

Meanwhile there's at least 15 LWs I'd take over him.

Nico hischier meanwhile has the 33rd highest C contract (might go lower), and there's also only about 15-20 Cs I'd take over him


You're mesmerized by cap hits. The analysis of whether a contract is a "bad" contract involves a three-variable equation: cap hit, actual salary, and performance.

The fact that Benn's cap hit is the third highest of all LWs is utterly irrelevant to the issue of whether it's a good contract or not, as a nanosecond's worth of thought should establish: Connor McDavid has the highest contract of all centers, and David Pastrnak's new contract will be the highest among all RWs. If they perform the way we know they do and will, who cares?

Let's start with some basics, founded on what you yourself have said: Hischier is an excellent player. He is "just as good production-wise" as Benn. He costs more than Benn, despite his cap hit. Hischier is younger than Benn, and will probably become more productive in the future than he is now, while Benn will probably regress with age. Now, what are we to conclude from these accepted facts?

(1) Despite the fact that Hischier plays a more productive position, and plays on the first line and thus gets more playing time on ice than Benn, he isn't outperforming Benn. Now, no one with an ounce of knowledge about hockey would say that Hischier's contract is a "bad" one, so how can you argue that Benn's contract is a bad one?

(2) The fact that a contract may age badly as the player ages doesn't make the contract a "bad" one now; I recall more than just a couple of players named Chelios and Chara that played pretty well into their dotage.

(3) The fact that you, and probably I, would take one player over another is utterly irrelevant as to the issue of whether one player's or the other's is a "bad" contract.

Let's take some examples:

(1) Player A has a cap hit of $8 million and a real salary of $6 million. Player B has a cap hit of $6 million and a real salary of $8 million. They have the same number of points. Who has the "bad" contract?

(2) RW "PK" has scored 50 points in 61 games and has a cap hit of $10.5 million with a real salary of $6.9 million. RW "PL" has scored 48 points in 53 games and has a cap hit of $8.7 million but has a real salary of $9.1 million (i.e., 50% more). Who has the "bad" contract?

Cap hit is merely a fact -- a factor to be considered in the calculus of "good" vs "bad." Production in light of cap hit and actual salary is truth.
18 mars 2023 à 11 h 39
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You're mesmerized by cap hits. The analysis of whether a contract is a "bad" contract involves a three-variable equation: cap hit, actual salary, and performance.

The fact that Benn's cap hit is the third highest of all LWs is utterly irrelevant to the issue of whether it's a good contract or not, as a nanosecond's worth of thought should establish: Connor McDavid has the highest contract of all centers, and David Pastrnak's new contract will be the highest among all RWs. If they perform the way we know they do and will, who cares?

Let's start with some basics, founded on what you yourself have said: Hischier is an excellent player. He is "just as good production-wise" as Benn. He costs more than Benn, despite his cap hit. Hischier is younger than Benn, and will probably become more productive in the future than he is now, while Benn will probably regress with age. Now, what are we to conclude from these accepted facts?

(1) Despite the fact that Hischier plays a more productive position, and plays on the first line and thus gets more playing time on ice than Benn, he isn't outperforming Benn. Now, no one with an ounce of knowledge about hockey would say that Hischier's contract is a "bad" one, so how can you argue that Benn's contract is a bad one?

(2) The fact that a contract may age badly as the player ages doesn't make the contract a "bad" one now; I recall more than just a couple of players named Chelios and Chara that played pretty well into their dotage.

(3) The fact that you, and probably I, would take one player over another is utterly irrelevant as to the issue of whether one player's or the other's is a "bad" contract.

Let's take some examples:

(1) Player A has a cap hit of $8 million and a real salary of $6 million. Player B has a cap hit of $6 million and a real salary of $8 million. They have the same number of points. Who has the "bad" contract?

(2) RW "PK" has scored 50 points in 61 games and has a cap hit of $10.5 million with a real salary of $6.9 million. RW "PL" has scored 48 points in 53 games and has a cap hit of $8.7 million but has a real salary of $9.1 million (i.e., 50% more). Who has the "bad" contract?

Cap hit is merely a fact -- a factor to be considered in the calculus of "good" vs "bad." Production in light of cap hit and actual salary is truth.


1) Hischier is a significantly better and more valuable player than Benn, with a significantly lower cap hit. If benn's cap hit was 7 mill, you'd have a point here, but it's 9.5
2) The fact that a contract is likely to age poorly matters, because the contract still has term on it.
3) Comparing players to their peers matters. A top 20 LW with a top 3 LW cap hit is overpaid, a top 20 C with a top 35 C cap hit is underpaid
4) except for AZ none of these owners are broke. To actual contending teams, Cap hit is massively more important than salary, in a hard cap league.
5) player As contract is worse, and PKs contract is worse.
6) Nico Hischier has a real dollar amount of 4.5 mill this year if that matters so much to you.
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The fact that Benn's cap hit is the third highest of all LWs is utterly irrelevant to the issue of whether it's a good contract or not, as a nanosecond's worth of thought should establish: Connor McDavid has the highest contract of all centers, and David Pastrnak's new contract will be the highest among all RWs. If they perform the way we know they do and will, who cares?

Mcdavid is the best player in hockey making the most money. Not overpaid.
Pastrnak is at worst a top 3 RW in hockey, again will not be overpaid (may be by the end of his contract tho)
Jamie Benn is not a top 10 LW. Overpaid

Current Production>Cap Hit>Term>projected Production (based on age)>Real Money
18 mars 2023 à 11 h 57
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You're mesmerized by cap hits. The analysis of whether a contract is a "bad" contract involves a three-variable equation: cap hit, actual salary, and performance.

The fact that Benn's cap hit is the third highest of all LWs is utterly irrelevant to the issue of whether it's a good contract or not, as a nanosecond's worth of thought should establish: Connor McDavid has the highest contract of all centers, and David Pastrnak's new contract will be the highest among all RWs. If they perform the way we know they do and will, who cares?

Let's start with some basics, founded on what you yourself have said: Hischier is an excellent player. He is "just as good production-wise" as Benn. He costs more than Benn, despite his cap hit. Hischier is younger than Benn, and will probably become more productive in the future than he is now, while Benn will probably regress with age. Now, what are we to conclude from these accepted facts?

(1) Despite the fact that Hischier plays a more productive position, and plays on the first line and thus gets more playing time on ice than Benn, he isn't outperforming Benn. Now, no one with an ounce of knowledge about hockey would say that Hischier's contract is a "bad" one, so how can you argue that Benn's contract is a bad one?

(2) The fact that a contract may age badly as the player ages doesn't make the contract a "bad" one now; I recall more than just a couple of players named Chelios and Chara that played pretty well into their dotage.

(3) The fact that you, and probably I, would take one player over another is utterly irrelevant as to the issue of whether one player's or the other's is a "bad" contract.

Let's take some examples:

(1) Player A has a cap hit of $8 million and a real salary of $6 million. Player B has a cap hit of $6 million and a real salary of $8 million. They have the same number of points. Who has the "bad" contract?

(2) RW "PK" has scored 50 points in 61 games and has a cap hit of $10.5 million with a real salary of $6.9 million. RW "PL" has scored 48 points in 53 games and has a cap hit of $8.7 million but has a real salary of $9.1 million (i.e., 50% more). Who has the "bad" contract?

Cap hit is merely a fact -- a factor to be considered in the calculus of "good" vs "bad." Production in light of cap hit and actual salary is truth.


Oh and I didn't even get into the fact that this is one bounceback year for benn at 33 after 4 mediocre ones, propped up by a career high shooting % (18% after shooting 12.5% over the last 6 years) and very unlikely to be sustained.
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You're not listening, and you're wedded and welded to your position, so I'll give up now.
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You're not listening, and you're wedded and welded to your position, so I'll give up now.


Your only position is that "cash means more than anything" "player decline with age isn't real" and a bunch of awful comparisons.

If Jamie Benn hit the market he would not receive a 3 year deal at 9.5 mill AAV.
If nico hischier hit the market today he would receive more than 7.25x5
 
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