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habs 22-23 TDL hope

Créé par: chuck28
Équipe: 2022-23 Canadiens de Montréal
Date de création initiale: 25 déc. 2022
Publié: 25 déc. 2022
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Description
with 3 of the 5 player in the trade traded we will be in a good place at the draft.
i prefer adding a little something to our player to really get what we want (1st round ,---> good prospect at the good position for us<---) then lower our expectation for the return
like that both team got what they want in the trade
other team receive good vet for playoff push and we receive one first round (20+) OR one good prospect (by player that got value )for rebuild
just like MTL did at the last draft
MTL add a mid round pick to Romanov to get a 1st round pick
then again MTL add a mid round pick to the 1st round to get Dach
the point is MTL ADD to the existing value to target specific asset and they are not affraid to add 1 or 2 time to get that asset
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MTL
    separately to any team
    mid to late draft pick depending if and how much salary retain
    2.
    MTL
      separately to any team
      one first round to contender team (20+) + grade B prospect
      OR
      grade A prospect (RD or G) + one second round or lower dependind on the prospect
      both scenario are with half retain salary (Edmunson 2 years)
      and both scenario MTL can add mid round pick depending on the prospect
      EDM
      1. Edmundson, Joel (1 750 000 $ retained)
      2. Monahan, Sean (3 175 000 $ retained)
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      our best value asset at TDL
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      2082 500 000 $59 322 499 $1 132 500 $5 277 500 $23 177 501 $
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      25 déc. 2022 à 9 h 21
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      with 50% retention on

      Hoffman, Mike
      Drouin, Jonathan
      Dadonov, Evgeni

      You'd be lucky to receive a 4/5th

      Edmundson at 50% is worth a 2nd... if you're lucky because he's just not very talented anymore

      Monahan at 50% is worth a 1st OR a top prospect if youre lucky because he's always injured and a rental

      So that's 5 retentions to receive 3 5th's, or a 2nd, or a 1st... seems like Drouin/Dad should just play out their bad deal.

      Hoffman is a lockeroom/media cancer, even at 2x2.25.

      Monahan to COL/BOS/TOR makes most sense.

      Edmundson to EDM or FLA makes sense for THEM, do YOU want to help them at the cost of a '23 2nd?
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      25 déc. 2022 à 9 h 40
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      Quoting: TheeDjeeEem
      with 50% retention on

      Hoffman, Mike
      Drouin, Jonathan
      Dadonov, Evgeni

      You'd be lucky to receive a 4/5th

      Edmundson at 50% is worth a 2nd... if you're lucky because he's just not very talented anymore

      Monahan at 50% is worth a 1st OR a top prospect if youre lucky because he's always injured and a rental

      So that's 5 retentions to receive 3 5th's, or a 2nd, or a 1st... seems like Drouin/Dad should just play out their bad deal.

      Hoffman is a lockeroom/media cancer, even at 2x2.25.

      Monahan to COL/BOS/TOR makes most sense.

      Edmundson to EDM or FLA makes sense for THEM, do YOU want to help them at the cost of a '23 2nd?


      thanks for the feed back

      so basicaly its just Edmunson that we don't get along for the value

      Drouin,Dadonov, Hoffman for 4/5 round if retain is around mid to late (but we could only retain on one if we retain on Monahan and Edmunson)
      so we can accept 6/7 round with no retention or
      i agree with you and have no problem to just wait till the end for Drouin and Dadonov (this summer) that's why i said 3 on 5
      and Monhan half retain for a 1st round that's what we want i add a grade B prospect in the trade but the possibility to add on MTL side too to compensate but Monahan for a 1st straigt up i am ok with it

      but i think with 2 years of retain salary on Edmunson if we add a mid round (or value of) we can get a 1st OR a good prospect

      so i am not too far off overall
      25 déc. 2022 à 9 h 52
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      Quoting: chuck28
      thanks for the feed back

      so basicaly its just Edmunson that we don't get along for the value

      Drouin,Dadonov, Hoffman for 4/5 round if retain is around mid to late (but we could only retain on one if we retain on Monahan and Edmunson)
      so we can accept 6/7 round with no retention or
      i agree with you and have no problem to just wait till the end for Drouin and Dadonov (this summer) that's why i said 3 on 5
      and Monhan half retain for a 1st round that's what we want i add a grade B prospect in the trade but the possibility to add on MTL side too to compensate but Monahan for a 1st straigt up i am ok with it

      but i think with 2 years of retain salary on Edmunson if we add a mid round (or value of) we can get a 1st OR a good prospect

      so i am not too far off overall


      Edmundson with retention + '23 4th should = late 1st from EDM... would they do it? maybe...

      It's only worth a '23 3rd to add a B prospect in Monahan deal if it's a D or G, so find them on those teams and propose trade to see feedback

      Edmundson to LA at 50% might be interesting for them.
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      25 déc. 2022 à 10 h 55
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      Disagreeing with the previous commenter, I don’t think you’ll get a 1st from anyone for Monahan 50% retained. There will be a market there, just not a premium one.

      Someone will overpay for Edmundson 50% with retention, but I doubt you get a 1st there either. He also takes up a retention spot next year.

      Teams are only allowed to retain on 3 players. So assuming you use 2 of your 3 retention spots on Monahan and Edmundson, you have 1 slot left.

      Drouin and Dadonov don’t have any value whatsoever with their current cap hits. You’d be lucky to get a late round pick for either at 50% retention.

      Hoffman also sucks with that contract, but maybe you can get a return for him at 50% retained for a team that needs a pure shooter. Even then, you’d be saddled with his retention for next season also.

      I think Habs fans are likely going to be disappointed in the returns for these five guys on the trade block. Maybe there’s an overpay on one (Edmundson), but the rest aren’t particularly valuable.
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      25 déc. 2022 à 11 h 15
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      Quoting: turtlemountain
      Disagreeing with the previous commenter, I don’t think you’ll get a 1st from anyone for Monahan 50% retained. There will be a market there, just not a premium one.

      Someone will overpay for Edmundson 50% with retention, but I doubt you get a 1st there either. He also takes up a retention spot next year.

      Teams are only allowed to retain on 3 players. So assuming you use 2 of your 3 retention spots on Monahan and Edmundson, you have 1 slot left.

      Drouin and Dadonov don’t have any value whatsoever with their current cap hits. You’d be lucky to get a late round pick for either at 50% retention.

      Hoffman also sucks with that contract, but maybe you can get a return for him at 50% retained for a team that needs a pure shooter. Even then, you’d be saddled with his retention for next season also.

      I think Habs fans are likely going to be disappointed in the returns for these five guys on the trade block. Maybe there’s an overpay on one (Edmundson), but the rest aren’t particularly valuable.


      how is this disagreeing with me exactly?
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      25 déc. 2022 à 12 h 15
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      The Avs won't likely have an interest in any of them, and Habs fans will likely be disappointed in the return on any of them.
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      25 déc. 2022 à 12 h 22
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      Quoting: TheeDjeeEem
      how is this disagreeing with me exactly?


      I guess disagree was too strong of a statement. You said “Monahan at 50% is worth a 1st OR a top prospect if youre lucky because he's always injured and a rental”. I think even that is way too optimistic. We’re otherwise on the same page. Bad word choice on my end.
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