He's a good player but he's not what you guys say he is. Even this season he's just been lucky. Gives up way more chances than he creates he's just outscored those deficiencies so far but it's unsustainable.

https://www.naturalstattrick.com/playerteams.php?fromseason=20222023&thruseason=20222023&stype=2&sit=5v5&score=all&stdoi=oi&rate=n&team=VAN&pos=S&loc=B&toi=0&gpfilt=none&fd=&td=&tgp=410&lines=single&draftteam=ALL

I have indeed, many times. And my eye test matches what I see. I do think on a better team with better structure he would round out better but the canucks just don't seem to have any idea what they are doing. Elias is deadly and so is Hughes but the rest of the team is just poorly structured. I have seen this coming for years and I like what Rutherford is saying, he's a year short on saying it though. You should have sold everyone last year, then you'd be prepared to have this garbage team for a year and hopefully get Bedard and a few other blue chippers and then in 2-3 years you'll be a team on the rise

"In the past" Seems kind of vague, no?

Spring / summer was non stop canuckles chirping about how good their team will be; they stink.
I guess winter will be non stop canuckle fans bragging about how good their players are
There is literally NO chance kuzmenko gets a first; he’s never even played a full season in the league, never mind the playoffs.
Horvat is not what the Leafs need; we have arguably top 3 1st /2nd centre duo in the league. And established PP1 and PK1 Si no room for him there either. We need an impact winger and Canuckles have none. Other than Leafs are buyers and canuckles are sellers, no match so Not a good trade partner imo.

https://www.naturalstattrick.com/playerteams.php?fromseason=20222023&thruseason=20222023&stype=2&sit=5v5&score=all&stdoi=oi&rate=n&team=VAN&pos=S&loc=B&toi=0&gpfilt=none&fd=&td=&tgp=410&lines=single&draftteam=ALL

Horvat isn't good defensively.

Never said he was. All that shows is that he is below average defensively. You still haven't shown me this supposed stats that shows that Horvat is one of the worst players in the NHL at preventing rushes

The canucks as a whole are bottom 5. One of the worst