Quoting: Lenny7
Quoting: Doug7004
Nice to see an Anaheim fan present a Leafs trade that provides balance to both teams while taking into account each teams restrictions and situation! Good trade for both! Leaf haters frenzy!
I don't know...I just see Kapanen and Ritchie as two guys who probably have similar value, but to their current teams. Ritchie plays the heavy hitting/gritty in your face game, whereas Kapanen plays a more skilled game. Switch them from one team to the other and their value drops significantly. To me, it's essentially a washout, that really doesn't help the Ducks.
Then you look at Manson for JVR. Is one year of JVR worth a shutdown dman, who again, plays the Ducks style of hockey? You're adding $3.75 million-ish to the Ducks cap hit. There's no way that Bieksa waives his NMC to go to Boston, so the payroll relief that you get from that deal probably doesn't end up existing. I just don't see it as fit for either team.
It'll likely be a Vatanen move, and I don't imagine that the Leafs will be looking for a RH puck moving dman, as much as they're looking for a RH shutdown guy. Could be wrong though.
You do make a fair point about the Bieksa deal, I do realize it is a bit of a stretch, but if he doesn't, you could always look at buying him out, though I think you'd be able to make the numbers work. Additionally, if that deal doesn't go through, you also still have Nicolas Kerdiles, who, if he stays, means you don't need David Desharnais and can remove him the equation. You also wouldn't have Jimmy Hayes and his $2.3 M. As for the bigger deal, the Toronto trade, let me explain my reasoning. Firstly, Anaheim should not be getting JVR as a rental, they should be trading for him and immediately trying to resign him. How you do that is, with JVR likely due for a raise, you take either Bieksa or Hayes' contract and use the money you get from those deals expiring to lock up JVR. He obviously brings something which the Ducks need, a top six established winger who is basically what you're going to wait for several years for Nick Ritchie to blossom into. Josh Manson is a great asset for the Ducks, but Anaheim has a chance to change how their team operates because it needs to change. Every year they have failed to make the Stanley Cup finals and the reason for that is they are playing the wrong style. "Ducks hockey" is fine but it does not win championships nowadays. Need proof? Look at the Stanley Cup finals; the Penguins and Predators are high flying offensive teams. You do need some size and strength but that's why you have JVR, Getzlaf, Perry, Kesler, Kase, Cogliano, etc. You have to put more guys like Rakell and Silfverberg around them because that is the way the game is going. I will argue any day of the week that "Ducks hockey" just can't win a championship in a game that is going the way of speed and skill.