As a Ranger fan I would love to see the Isles trade a 25 year old Barzal for a 29 year old Miller, but it's not going to happen, Lou isn't that senile.

👎 for NYI

If I was a rangers fan I wouldn’t want them to do it since it will make the Isles better for the next 3-4 years

This is an extremely delusional comment

In what way

Prior to last season where everyone on the isles had a down season , Barzal was better than JT Miller over a 3 year sample. The fact you think the isles would trade their franchise C for a player who turns 30 in 7 months is insane.

Even as recent as the 20-21 season Barzal was significantly better than Miller at even strength. Last season Barzal had the unluckiest season of his career with a 98 PDO, Miller had a 101 PDO. One of these players is a good bet to regress next season and It isn't Barzal.


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I love cherry picking specific years

Absolutely worst deal I have seen for Miller yet. Miller is a 10 year guy with only 4 20+ goal seasons and about to hit 30. Barzal is a 25 yr old league acknowledged stud whose speed is, which is the key ingredient to the game now, is only matched by McDavid. His numbers have declined under Trotz while his overall responsible game has improved. You cannot trade him for anything less than huge package unless you wait the year and see what happens under Lambert and if he still underperforms than you worry about value. But league wide his value is viewed as huge. That is from an NHL front O guy i recently played golf with

Even if you include Barzal's down season he still drives play and possession better than Miller. He just plays on a team with terrible finishers where Miller plays with multiple above average finishers.

There really aren't any rational Canucks on this site. You guys feel entitled to certain players and make up some bizarre talking points. It's absurd to make an ACGM where you act like it makes sense for the isles to prioritize Kadri and Miller over Barzal.

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and from 18-21 it isn't close. Lets see would you rather the 25 YO who's a good bet to return to form or a soon to be 30 YO who peaked and who's results are unsustainable.
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it's going to cost A LOT more than a second to dump all that salary. it's 6.75 million in the first year alone; that's 1st round territory.

Flaming Miller trades again i see,

I'm pretty sure that GP is an important stat too. What the actual numbers show is that Millers stats are rising and Barzal's numbers are trending downward. and Barzal will be 26 in this season. Now all that being said No i don't think that NYI would or should let Barzal go even with his 8.5M QO or 10M x 8 and 60pts/yr. He is an exceptional asset and the Isles are better with him and if they were going to make a trade for Miller why would it make sense to get rid of the player that puts you in the window.

Barzals best season of his career was 20-21 season. He has had 1 down season.

Matt Barzal’s career points per game is a 70 point, 20 goal pace. His 2nd most productive season of his career came under trotz so using him as an argument that he made Barzal worse holds little water.

Over the last 3 seasons miller has more PP points, more 5v5 points, more 5v5 points per 60, and generates offense just as productively if not more so. Miller also averages 9 more goals per 82 games compared to barzal.

Factor in miller being better at more traditional areas of the game including faceoffs, more blocks, more hits, plays PK, and 5v6.

Finally if we consider contracts, Barzal has a 7 million cap hit this season and 10 million in salary owed. After retention, miller has a 3.15 million dollar cap hit and 2.7 million in salary owed. Significant savings this upcoming year.

Next year, miller will need to be re-signed at 8.5 million-ish per season. Obviously a significant cap hit.

Barzal has a qualifying offer of 8.4 million per season. You could probably get him for a little bit less, but it will still come in around $8 million on a multi year deal.

So yeah, they player who is currently better and will make much less money this season then Be re-signed for around the same AAV after one year vs the lower scoring and less complete player who has a way higher salary this coming year.

The only thing that evens out the Value is Barzal is 4 years younger. So for a team like NYI who are win now contenders, creating 3.85 million in cap space this year while upgrading their 1C position could easily be worth it even if it means getting 4 years older

For the Canucks, who have openly admitted they are trying to get younger and have stated their contention window is probably 2-4 years from now, getting a little worse in the short term is worth it to try and be better down the road.

Isles homer goggles is the only thing that could convince some one this trade is unfair

Yeah agreed. Like I said, whatever the cost. It’s not super important what the dump fee is for the sake of the AGM

Massage it the way you want to the stats show 60pt seasons. I think his best season was 19-20 he has a great year in the regular season and put up his best play off points.

Yeah, couldn't disagree more. Would much rather they have old JT than younger Barzal.

Who you play with matters. Barzal plays with 4th liners. Who’s fault is it when Barzal sends a high danger chance to Leo Komarov/Zach Parise and they miss the net?

Barzal would be a 90 pt player on most teams

Last year barzal’s two most common linemates 5v5 were anders Lee and Zach Parise. Millers two most common line mates were Brock Boeser and Tanner Pearson.

I’ve the last 3 seasons, barzals most common linemates 5v5 are anders lee and Jordan eberle. Millers are Brock Boeser and Elias Pettersson.

Yeah miller probably has the better linemates overall but the idea that Barzal is playing with 4th liners all the time is hilariously untrue.

Glad we’ve reached the point of the discussion where we are just making things up to suit a narrative

Last season, Barzal spend 47% of his 5v5 ice time with Anders Lee, 40% with Zach parise, and 30% with Josh Bailey. Both Parise and Bailey are 4th line caliber players. That is a fact.

Barzal ranked in the 300s among forwards for on ice S% last season despite being one of the better play making centers in the league.

During the 20-21 season, Barzal spent 22% of his regular season ice time on a line with Leo Komarov and 99% of his playoff ice time. Is Leo Komarov better than a 4th liner? You tell me.

1. Barzal is younger by 4 years
2. JT Miller is a FA at years end, but Barzal is still a RFA and can not walk for nothing
3. Resigning Barzal will be more expensive but if 8 years deals for both Miller will be 38 and Barzal will 32. Why would Islanders do this?

Barzal’s on ice shooting percentage last year was 8.02%. Pretty average on ice percentage. Comparatively miller had 9.65%. If miller had an on ice shooting percentage of 8.02%, he still would have outscored Barzal by 5 points last year.

Parise and Bailey are middle 6 caliber forwards. Interesting you like to post evolving hockey player cards for Barzal but aren’t posting the ones for Parise and Bailey where both players are above average offensive forwards (Parise was 60th percentile last year for combined gar xGAR and Bailey was 55th).

Miller played 13% of his icetime last year with Alex Chiasson and 18% with a rookie Vasili Podkolzin. Podkolzin should improvement throughout the year for sure but pretty obvious he’s not a top 6 winger yet (though I bet he will be soon). Chiasson is comparable to Bailey.

Sorry but Barzal’s teammates were barely worse than Millers last year and yet miller still performed much better. I have a very hard time believing Barzal is suddenly a 90 point player on any other team

Because miller is the better player right now and probably for another 3-4 years and it saves the 3.85 million in cap space with which to sign Kadri

You clearly missed the point, Barzal's elite playmaking and play driving should lead to a better than average on-ice S%. The players around him couldn't finish the chances he created.

Bailey is a replacement level 4th liner, Parise is an above average 4th liner who can fill in on the 3rd line. Imagine thinking Bailey is a middle 6 winger.
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